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Subject: Lying Politicians
whatswrongwithworld    2/7/2007 5:43:31 AM
I think it is very strange that politicians constantly lie and get away with it. Think about all the lies Tony Blair has said during the course of the Iraq war, not to mention lies concerning internal matters....he has not been forced to leave office despite trying to deceive the British public. The pressure from the media is not enough...most politicians manage to shrug off this pressure without having to face any real consequences...
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whatswrongwithworld    I found this interesting documentary   2/8/2007 6:20:31 AM
I found this interesting documentary yesterday, on this website:
It is about how politicians lie and get away with it the whole time, they are trying to get a law passed so that this will stop
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Yimmy       2/8/2007 3:40:16 PM
It is amazing though, the extent of it all.

A politician can get away with saying one thing in an election campaign to win votes, and then is under seemingly no legal obligation to do what he previously promised when in office.

And we call this Democracy?

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FJV       2/8/2007 3:44:39 PM
This is because most of us want to be lied to.

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neutralizer       2/9/2007 4:26:06 AM
Actually I don't think the PM did lie 'during the course of the Iraq War'.  I think this is a lie.  During the war it was fairly reported officially within the bounds of the need for OPSEC.
However, the PM did apply a lot of spin related to his preferred course of action before the war.  This, of course, says more about the British public than it does about the PM (he thought he needed to enhance the facts to convince the voters, in other words he thought the public was incapable of agreeing to do the right thing).  To me the most telling point is that left wing MPs like Anne Clydd were firmly of the view that regime change was needed in Iraq.  It was the first time in my life that I've even found myself agreeing with a left wing MP. 
The 'launch in 40 mins' tale was of course techically true, it just depended on several assumptions that could be invalid (I've been in the nuc msl biz so I at least know of what I speak, which puts me well ahead of almost everybody else particularly tabloid journos and judges).  It's moot whether or not this makes it a lie.  The decision to act, was of course, not associated with failing to plan for post-war, basically no one thought the US Govt could be as stupid as events revealed.  However, to any student of human behavior this is not a surprise.  Nor for that matter is all the subsequeunt howling, I think TB is smart enough to realise this (incidentally I've never voted labour).
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whatswrongwithworld       2/9/2007 7:54:10 AM
They have blatantly lied...look at the Downing Street Memo of 23 July 2002. Sir Richard Dearlove explicitly says that Bush wanted to remove Saddam and that the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy - this is a confidential document showing deliberate manipulation of information. In other words, lying to the public.
The only consequences that a politician faces for lying is being voted out after four years, after that they are not held accountable for their actions. This is not true of ordinary people or businesses (just think of the recent Enron saga). The MD of a big corporation is still accountable for his actions after he has retired...Tony Blair will retire soon and he will not have been made to face any consequences for his could even go further and say that what he has done amounts to crime against humanity - but he will not be prosecuted. Bush and Blair rant on about democracy, how they want to bring it to other countries when our country is far from democratic. Just because we all have the opportunity to vote someone in, if he can then abuse this power, ignore the voice of the people i.e. public being against the war, and go ahead and do it anyway, what use is a democratic political system?
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