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Subject: Concerns about the new type 45 AWD
BLUIE006    12/18/2006 3:06:24 AM
I have concernd about the Type 45 lack of firepower against land and sea targets?? With the UK lacking a cruiser, what do you expect to take on enemy ships that threaten your fleet???
 
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gf0012-aust       12/18/2006 3:42:13 AM

 With the UK lacking a cruiser, what do you expect to take on enemy ships that threaten your fleet???

subs.  and anyone stupid enough to take on a RN sub deserves all the hurt that will come their way.
 
Besides Type 45's won't be running around like the Lone Ranger or Scarlett Pimpernel.
 
and why do they need a Cruiser (and I assume you mean a CG)??

 
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neutralizer       12/18/2006 4:05:13 AM
Not just subs but SSNs, and UK has been developing collaborative tactics between surface and sub-surface assets.  Then there are the ASMs from various platforms.
 
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BLUIE006       12/18/2006 4:47:44 AM
Why  build  a destroyer  ....  if  you  need  Subs  to defend  it ????
 
Why  not  have  a fleet of SUBS ???
 
 
 
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TAC II       12/18/2006 4:50:30 AM
Because you can't control airspace with a SSN?
 
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BLUIE006       12/18/2006 7:34:38 AM
Very  true ..... you can't  control  airspace with  a SSN
 so  ...  every time they  send out  a Type 45 to  control airspace...it  will be escorted by  a SSN ??? Just  in case  it  get into a  scrap  with a decent surface ship ....
 
Wouldn't it make more sense  to add some ....long range fire  power to the  Type 45...???
 
and  then in high risk situations ..... escort  it  with attack sub ???
 
Also  ..imagine  that  ....its  a full scale global conflict  with  a large powerful enemy....wouldn't your SSNs  be  searching  for SSBNs
 
All im saying is  it  makes  sense to  me .........  to  give the type  45  a  bit more punch  against surface  ships ........( harpoon  doesn't  cut it )
 
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TAC II       12/18/2006 7:43:37 AM

You'd tailor the action group according to the threat. And basically the job of the Type 45 is to escort and protect other vessels like amphibs and carriers. The ASuW is left to the frigates, SSNs and airpower.

Type 45 is not, and was never meant to be, a stand-alone asset.

You also have to consider the resources (budget) available for the RN.

 
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Yimmy       12/18/2006 4:36:13 PM
In any case, I believe the Type 45 is due to have a 4.5 inch deck gun, and a helicopter or two (Super Lynx armed with Sea Skua?  Or Apache even?)

Can ASTTER 30 be used against surface ships like Sea Dart?
 

 
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neutralizer       12/19/2006 5:52:19 AM
Putting aside the SSBNs, which are differnt, the RN has 3 core capbilities:
SSNs
Carriers
Amphib warfare
 
Note that all of these are primarily directed to using seapower to influence land operations.  The notion of blue water action or surface action agaisnt other ships is basically second order.  The escorts, whether directed at air or sub-surface action are just that, escorts to the core capabilities of carriers and amphib ops.  The reality is there are no navies that the UK envisages engaging in the foreseeable future that have any capability that requires a re-orientation towards surface action against major combattants.
 
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interestedamateur       12/20/2006 6:11:39 AM

In any case, I believe the Type 45 is due to have a 4.5 inch deck gun, and a helicopter or two (Super Lynx armed with Sea Skua?  Or Apache even?)

Can ASTTER 30 be used against surface ships like Sea Dart?
 


No Yimmy but it doesn't matter, because we have other assets that do hava an anti-shipping capability.

 
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Yimmy       12/20/2006 8:51:43 AM
Are we sure ASTER 30 can't engage ships?  I mean, Standard and Sea Dart can, while ASTER 30 is advertised as being able to engage sea skimming targets.  If it can hit an SS-N-22, surely it can find its way to a ship?


 
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