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Subject: Cvf Etc
NotUkOnly    8/20/2006 12:01:45 PM
Does anyone know the latest situation with regards to the future of the Cvf's and the Type 45 orders? (8-12?) Fsc's?? and general future shape of the Rn??
 
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perfectgeneral    RE:Cvf Etc   8/20/2006 8:15:30 PM
It's all pretty much hanging on the whim of Gordon Brown and the latest spending review. The French getting involved improves CVFs chances of getting ordered, but nothing need be announced/done/financed until 2008. Current orders (development and long lead items) lead right up to the point of no return (manufacture).
 
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Yimmy    RE:Cvf Etc   8/20/2006 8:18:40 PM
As for Type 45, I believe at the moment six are on order, with an option for an additional two, so we may not even get the reduced figure of eight. I believe one hull has already been launched, with a second launching soon.
 
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Jack Tarr    RE:Cvf Etc   8/22/2006 3:44:22 AM
"I believe one hull has already been launched" :-Yimmy One section at least.(The 45's are being built in sections at different yards) I saw the bow section of the first Type 45 on a barge in the Solent a week or two ago, so I guess it's being sailed to the Clyde (memory is rusty, but I think that is where they are being completed?) for final assembly.
 
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perfectgeneral    RE:Cvf Etc   8/22/2006 9:45:57 AM
HMS Daring's complete hull has been launched into the Clyde already so you must have seen the hull section of a later ship in the class, JackTar.
 
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neofire1000       9/10/2006 10:16:53 AM
Its impossible to tell, the official M.O.D site still lists the carriers as a future project but at best that information is very sketchy.
 
I think if we get six T45's and one carrier we will be lucky, but you never know.
 
My mate works in M.O.D and he says its all fine but where he gets his info from I don't know so i tend to take it with a pinch of salt, according to him the carriers will be commissioned in 2012 and 2015, read into it what you will, recent "supposed" government reports state that a cut in the defence budget in imminent which would threaten at least one major procurement program, in this case both CVF's. Again it's all bullshit and the best thing to do is wait until the M.O.D makes a statement to say otherwise.
 
Cheers.
 
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Padfoot       9/10/2006 10:58:57 AM
One carrier? Very unlikely. One carrier is virtually useless. It will be two or nothing.
 
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neofire1000       9/10/2006 11:23:24 AM
Well it will probably be nothing then. Typical government u turns.
 
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perfectgeneral       9/10/2006 11:55:25 PM
Another posibility is to put off manufacture (delay). This might lead straight to a CTOL version of the flight deck. Electromagnetic catapults will have been developed and tested on CV21. Here is how I see the CVF flight deck based on official computer sketches:

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EssexBoy    CVF update from Jane's   9/18/2006 4:21:05 PM
Main Gate deadline approaches for UK carrier programme

By Richard Scott

Industry stakeholders in the Aircraft Carrier Alliance (ACA) established to deliver the UK's Future Aircraft Carrier (CVF) programme are to submit their latest pricing data on 20 September 2006, a little over a month ahead of a planned Main Gate 2 (MG2) submission to the Ministry of Defence (MoD).

However, question marks still remain as to how close the alliance's costed plan will be to the MoD's GBP3.5 billion (USD6.6 billion) budget ceiling.

The MoD had originally planned that the CVF programme - intended to deliver two 65,000-ton aircraft carriers from the middle of the next decade - should pass a single Main Gate decision for demonstration and manufacture. But in October last year the MoD acknowledged that this was no longer feasible, setting out instead a revised two-stage Main Gate process splitting the demonstration and manufacture phases.

The ACA industry partners - Babcock, BAE Systems, KBR, Thales and VT - have been working under demonstration phase contracts worth a combined GBP140 million to refine and mature the CVF ship design, and to develop a credible and costed build strategy. The objective is to bring the design and the overall programme up to a level of maturity at which the MoD is sufficiently confident to give the green light for manufacture.

 
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Donkey       9/19/2006 2:03:34 AM
To go just slightky off topic, anyone catch the MOD statement regarding the latest Navy review.  It's aimed at CUTTING OVERHEADS TO THE FLEET....what odds on a base closure?
 
IF a base does go, Portsmouth then no new carriers, Devenport then we get them!
 
Thoughts please guys.
 
Donk 
 
 
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