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Subject: Cash crisis so severe.....
EssexBoy    8/14/2006 3:45:28 PM
...that base faces closure because Army can't afford to build a fence (From yesterday's Torygraph) The language is cold and bureaucratic, but the message is crystal clear - the Army is running out of cash and Britain's troops in Afghanistan and Iraq are paying the price. In a confidential document, defence chiefs talk of "high impact" cost-cutting measures that will cause "some pain" and result "in severe impediment to the delivery of operational capability". It is a far cry from the pledge made by the Chancellor, Gordon Brown, just four months ago, when he boasted that he was going to make an extra £1 billion available. The money, which came from a "special reserve", was meant to help the military to conduct peacekeeping operations around the world. Now it seems that defence chiefs are being forced to pay for the Chancellor's unusual generosity by slashing military spending, closing bases and withdrawing equipment from service. All of this is, according to some senior officers, "putting the lives of British servicemen at risk". The Sunday Telegraph has learnt that the Land Command, the organisation responsible for ensuring that British troops are properly equipped and trained to fight anywhere in the world, has been ordered to cut more than £40 million from its budget in the next eight months. Cuts to other departments in the Army, in addition to the Royal Navy and the RAF, are now expected, as the annual £1.3 billion costs of operations in Iraq and Afghanistan begin to bite into the defence budget. The report, which is in the form of a "loose minute" with three annexes and is entitled "Financial Management 2006/07", reveals that: • Repair budgets for Army tanks and artillery pieces will be slashed. • Bases will be closed, "severely impeding" combat operations. • Military exercises in Kenya and Canada will be cancelled or scaled down, leading to problems with training and morale. • Funding for the Army's only multiple-launched rocket systems will cease, creating a 30-month capability gap. • Missile systems will be withdrawn from service early, creating a 24-month capability gap. • The stockpiling of ammunition for deployable brigades such as 16 Air Assault Brigade, currently in Afghanistan, and Apache helicopters, will be reduced. • Recruitment to the Territorial Army will be "slowed". • The money available to train University Officer Training Cadets will be capped. The financial report was drawn up for Gen Sir Richard Dannatt, the commander-in-chief of Land Command. The general is responsible for more than 70,000 servicemen and women, all of the Army's tanks, artillery and Apache attack helicopters, and has a budget of more than £3 billion - the largest in the Army. Gen Dannatt, who is due to succeed Gen Sir Mike Jackson as chief of the general staff in the next few weeks, ordered the cuts to prevent further budget restrictions in the future. In the most damaging disclosure, the report states that the Army Base Repair Organisation, which is responsible for repairing the Army's tanks, missiles systems and artillery pieces, will also have its budget slashed. The report describes this as a "high impact" measure. The document also states that the predicted rise in the cost of utilities, such as fuel, water and electricity, will mean that several military facilities will have to close, resulting in a "severe impediment to the delivery of operational capability". The funding crisis is now so severe that senior commanders across the Army have been ordered to organise meetings so that they can travel using "saver tickets". The document reveals that the building of a security fence at the Army's Dishforth air base, which is the home of 9 Regiment Army Air Corps, where Apache attack helicopters are based, has been cancelled because of the cash crisis. The document goes on to say that the future of the base, in North Yorkshire, is now under review. Funding will also cease for the Army's sophisticated Multiple Launched Rocket System, which can hit a target with an accuracy of 10 feet from a distance of 43 miles. The document states that this will mean that, in an emergency, the Army could not deploy the weapon to either Iraq or Afghanistan. In a recent article in a Ministry of Defence house magazine, Defence Logistics Organisation News, Gen Dannatt appeared to criticise Treasury policy when he compared the demand placed on the Army with the level of Government funding. He said that both Afghanistan and Iraq were proving to be "demanding" theatres and admitted that all the assumptions made about withdrawing troops from Iraq "had not been substantiated". He went on: "[The Army] has huge demands placed upon us. We are finding ourselves quite finely balanced and taut, added to which is the problem that defence is not financially over-resourced at the moment." Defence spending has long been a running sore with many senior officers
 
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perfectgeneral    RE:Cash crisis so severe..... - Yimmy   8/18/2006 7:58:16 PM
However there is nothing stopping us from selling most of the airframes for very competitive prices to friendly nations. I don't think we should be robbing one service to fund another. Let the RAF have their 232 Typhoons. As fast jets go they are pretty cheap. Just stop robbing all the services to pay for PFI scams (etc.) and restore decent funding to the MoD. Defence should get 3% of GDP, not 2.1%.
 
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Yimmy    RE:Cash crisis so severe..... - Yimmy   8/18/2006 8:56:33 PM
I am not saying we should rob from any of the services. The Typhoon simply is not what we need. Why buy what is little more than a land based point defence interceptor with bells and whistles attached when we can buy a naval expeditionary capable F35?
 
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perfectgeneral    RE:Cash crisis so severe..... - Yimmy   8/19/2006 12:12:46 AM
The limited use of the Typhoon without a land base nearby is a good point Yimmy. I'd welcome a naval version to offer top cover alongside the Lightning II.
 
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Lawman    RE:Cash crisis so severe..... - Yimmy   8/19/2006 5:21:08 AM
This is one of the reasons why the Treasury has been able to get cuts through for the last 45 years - turning the services against each other. In the '60s, the RAF argued the Navy should not get carriers, and the Navy argued against TSR-2, and the result was that neither service got what they wanted. If the two services had actually made the case for getting funding for their own project, and fought the Treasury instead of each other, then they would have been much better off. As for Typhoon, it is a great aircraft, and very useful for modern operations, it just gets very bad press. It is the aircraft everyone loves to hate, but it is proving to be an excellent performer, and will be capable of being deployed for expeditionary operations (much as the Jaguars and Tornados have done). Push for 3% GDP, not for robbing Peter to pay Paul! If the UK actually decided to fund its defence forces, like Australia have done, then we would not have these problems, but as long as Gordon Brown demands they fight a war on a peacetime training budget, we will get nowhere!
 
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EssexBoy    Helicopter shortage   8/19/2006 10:51:14 AM
Both the telegraph article I posted and the latest report by the defence select committee highlighted the shortage of helicopters for use in Iraq and Afghanistan. The select committee thought that this was so important that the govt. ought to look at an interim solution (presumably to fill the gap before the futurelynx turns up). Is anything being done about this? What could the army buy, how much would it cost, and when could such an interim solution be used in the field?
 
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Lawman    RE:Helicopter shortage   8/19/2006 11:28:31 AM
The reports appear to be suggesting leasing an interim fleet, on a similar basis to the other COMR helicopers. Leading candidates appear to be Super Pumas or Agusta Westland AW-139s/149s, though others may be possible.
 
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Yimmy    RE:Helicopter shortage   8/19/2006 1:07:52 PM
"It is the aircraft everyone loves to hate, but it is proving to be an excellent performer, and will be capable of being deployed for expeditionary operations (much as the Jaguars and Tornados have done)." I don't love to hate it Lawman, I actually rather like the aircraft, and have argued in its favour (as an aircraft) on these forums in the past. That said, it is not what we need right now, and will not be as successful as Tornado in expeditionary warfare. It simply does not have the range. Too much of the design work for the Typhoon is optimised at air-air performance, which is why it is not replacing the Tornado GR.4. If we were to purchase F35C, we would be gaining a far better strike package than the Typhoon (stealth and increased range), while also having a capable air-air platform (if not quite so capable).
 
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