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EW3    7/22/2006 12:46:41 AM
PBS in New England likes to use the BBC as a proxy. Just viewed a report where the BBC made Israal was totally at fault for eveything in the ME. Is that what the Beeb puts out on a regular basis? It was downright disgusting.
 
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Lawman    RE:BBC question   7/22/2006 6:08:53 AM
Sadly, it is SOP for the BBC. They recruit entirely through a hard-left-wing newspaper, and generally blame everything, including the weather, on Israel. They basically go with the whole left-wing '67 story, whereby Israel becomes responsible for absolutely everything...
 
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giblets    RE:BBC question   7/22/2006 6:33:46 AM
Hmmm, I would not go that far! In the recent conflict the consensus has been that it IS Hezbollahs fault, but they think that Israel has gone in too hard, though for once they are broadly supporting them It is interesting that you guys view the BBC as so far left wing, here it is seen is left of centre, however, compared to most of europe its pretty right wing. And then compared to the US, CNN, or worse FOX which we view as really right wing!
 
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EW3    RE:BBC question   7/22/2006 7:58:12 AM
Not sure it's a left vs right kind of issue. The stuff I heard was just vile anti-Israel reporting. The US press in general has been extremely quiet about some aspects of this situation. Barely if ever mentioned is the use of the anti-ship missile by terrorists. The idea of a terrorist organisation having portable ASMs is a major step up in the terrorist threat world wide. And the implications of it having gotten in Lebanon from China via Iran via Syria is huge, but it seems to be getting ignored.
 
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swhitebull    RE:BBC question   7/22/2006 8:17:53 AM
Has the Beeb ever mentioned in any of their reporting that the katyusha rockets being launched at Israel are usually filled with steel ball-bearings, just like the meatbombers' bombbelts that are used to attack Israeli civilians in markets? Rockets intended soley to maim and kill, with no legitimate military value. My guess is NOT - since it would portray Israeli civilians in a sympathetic manner, and disparage the noble intent of the terrorists using pure terror tactics. To the Beeb, it might upset the tender sensibilities of British citizens over their afternoon tea, to know that Hizbollah are not some noble bunch of freedom fighters. swhitebull
 
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interestedamateur    RE:BBC question   7/22/2006 8:35:43 AM
"Has the Beeb ever mentioned in any of their reporting that the katyusha rockets being launched at Israel are usually filled with steel ball-bearings" No they haven't. I speak as someone who has BBC Radio 5 live on almost all day. The BBC has talked fairly extensively about the rockets fired by Hizbollah and the kidnappings, but IMO there has been more discussion about the destruction carried out in Lebanon. So I guess you could say that they are moderately, but not totally, biased against Israel.
 
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Lawman    RE:BBC question   7/22/2006 11:46:52 AM
At least Sky News seems to be giving a good (reasonably) balanced view on things, making a good effort to report the news, not the views!
 
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sofa    RE:BBC question   7/22/2006 11:20:31 PM
did someone say CNN was to the right of europe msm? in the states, CNN is referred to as the "Communist News Network" and has famously had lefty wingnuts in key positions and as anchors. They blatantly shill for palestine, saddam, the UN, demorats, and against american interests. Not news, but flat out lefty distortion with an agenda. Just not as far out as the BBC.
 
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flamingknives    RE:BBC question   7/23/2006 3:48:39 PM
Has the Beeb ever mentioned in any of their reporting that the katyusha rockets being launched at Israel are usually filled with steel ball-bearings, just like the meatbombers' bombbelts that are used to attack Israeli civilians in markets? Rockets intended soley to maim and kill, with no legitimate military value. I've not noticed this being mentioned, but I will point out that it's an entirely redundant statement. I can name two warfighting weapons used by the UK and US that use exactly the same kind of pre-formed fragmentation with exactly the same intent, and numerous others designed with different mechanisms to achieve precisely the same effect. Furthermore, most of the weapons that the Lebanese terrorists use are ex military stocks. Their usage is indiscrimanate, with no legitamate military value, but that's not the same thing. What does come across quite clearly on the Beeb is that Hisbullah, with its terror tactics, has killed 30 and the high-tech Israeli response has caused 300.
 
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EW3    RE:BBC question   7/23/2006 4:08:23 PM
with exactly the same intent When we use them they are aimed at military targets. Unless the ground qualifies as a military target the POGs are shooting these into civilian areas with no likely chance of even hitting a military target. What does come across quite clearly on the Beeb is that Hisbullah, with its terror tactics, has killed 30 and the high-tech Israeli response has caused 300. Guess what the beeb left out is that most of northern Israel is living in bomb shelters. http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3280346,00.html At this point I would seriously question any battle casualty reports.
 
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giblets    RE:BBC question   7/23/2006 6:35:45 PM
The point here is that no one is saying that Hezbollah is not guilty of indiscriminate, terror based attacks, however the question remains about some of the Israeli targetting which has resulted in numerous Civilian casualties, or terror tactics. "Terrorism refers to a strategy of using violence, or threat of violence to generate fear, cause disruption, and ultimately, to bring about compliance with specific political, religious, ideological, and personal demands. The targets of terrorist attacks typically are not the individuals who are killed, injured, or taken hostage, but rather the societies to which these individuals belong." In terms of the discussion on CNN vs the BBC, vs Fox/ Sky, and the accurate reporting of events through the world, it makes me laugh that members are claiming CNN is less reputable than fox, and seemingly oblivious to the political bias of whichever station you watch.
 
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