sorry about middle east i meant immigrant muslim populations, as for the money not coming from the french government, from the materials i've read alot of the money comes out saudia arabia funnelled through to charity  and religous organizations as an umbrella to fund the mosques. I hope also that this problem gets solved. What i recommend is first to really make immigration to Europe difficult at least for the next few years to stem the tide. as for the european value's that are less universal and more particular to each nation... that is for each european nation to work out what differentiates them from others and as long it is respectful of other nations diversity this should be encorporated within educational and cultural sphere's. There also needs to be a mentality on the street where there is some form of nationalism. I don't advocate extreme nationalism, but patriotism...which is integral to the health of any nation. Again, I hope the stats are wrong and that the europeans wake up before its too late. There is much in europe to admire, and it would be shame for it to be destroyed through assimilation of a foreign culture that may be said is  quite barbaric and petrified.

Then again the Bible (Old Testement) isn't much better, how many accounts are there of "then the Chosen people took (insert town name here) and the LORD GOD told them to put everything that lived and a couple things that didn't to the sword", most of the book is the tale of bronze age barbarians pillaging and looting.  A moderate Muslim is the same as a moderate Christian; they're someone who's realized you can't take religion seriously.

There is a large difference between the war to liberate a sliver of real-estate roughly the size of New Jersey, In order to   establish nationhood. Then the war of jihad which seeks to create a hegemonic empire where Muhammad's law rules supreme. There are tolerated(untolerably) minorities (Jews, Christians) but tolerated has a very loose definition. The chosen people sought to be one nation, the concept of nationhood denotes that there is a family of nations to begin with.They are just one voice in a chorus, Islam desires no such thin. This means that the jewish war on canaan had limited scope to creating a home on the street, where Islam has universalistic notions in the form of the jihad that aspires to dominate the entire street.

The Koran may believe in the same god as those of the bible,but how they understand that god is a very different thing. Comparing it in such a casual manner  is at odds with the deep deep fissures that have existed & do exist between the  bible and the koran. They are two very different religions, lumping religions so simply tells of a ignorance, which so often  provides for  prejudice.

Some posters who emphasize the islamic terror over france and europe are probably pro Bush and even good neocons .
Bush and also Blair called EU to accept Turkey as a new member . So what about 60 millions muslims suddenly in Europe ? where is the logic ??

and you, you know the reality because you live in europe ....

hmmmmmm so you think all the people in Turkey are Muslims just because they were born in a Muslim community
Actually this thread annoys me
What is Eurobia??Do you think Islam=Arab culture???
Do you think Turks are Arab???
And do you think Muslims will screw Europe??Well the muslim world you know seems scary and medieval becayse it's how they show it
+Arabian Islam is pretty different and has strict law

Turkey is much more different even better than a lot of European countries like Bulgaria,Romania,Ukraine.I mean lifestyles
The coutnry and economic things are different,Turkey is much more better

Seriously do think Turks are same with the other Muslims??I mean do you think we have giant beard?Do you think women are covered with different cottons?Do you think we are ruled with Islamic laws??
Well I do know most of you have NO IDEA about Turkish culture and it's not your fault