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Subject: Bin Laden killed in raid by Navy SEALS
esmoore5 5/2/2011 4:33:02 AM

Elite Navy SEALs conducted bin Laden mission: http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/may/01/elite-navy-seals-conducted-bin-laden-mission/

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gf0012-aust 5/18/2011 3:47:06 PM

well, some of them are silly... thats the problem.

eg the comment about how to get silenced chooks into pakistan is one. (SAS have had acoustically modified chooks for over 7 years). its also about mission planning for LO assets, something the US has exp in spades and first had 12 years ago

and the "bomb" proof dog. some of the tech has actually been sued by the israelis for over 5 years. One of them definitely has because it was demo'd to Aust, Can, US 3 years ago

it makes good copy, but the reality of the "ooh aaah" tech is a bit different

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gf0012-aust typo fix 5/18/2011 3:50:03 PM

well, some of them are silly... thats the problem.

and the "bomb" proof dog. some of the tech has actually been used by the israelis for over 5 years. One of them definitely has because it was demo'd to Aust, Can, US 3 years ago

it makes good copy, but the reality of the "ooh aaah" tech is a bit different

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gf0012-aust typo fix v2 5/18/2011 4:59:37 PM

well, some of them are silly... thats the problem.

eg the comment about how to get silenced chooks into pakistan is one. (UK SAS have had acoustically modified chooks for over 7-10 years). its also about mission planning for LO assets, something the US has experience in spades and first had 12 years ago. planning is about waypoints, timing and assistance at a crows level - eg supporting sig mgt

and the "bomb" proof dog. some of the tech has actually been used by the israelis for over 5 years. One of them definitely has because it was demo'd to Aust, Can, US 3 years ago. a lot of the tech is mainstream and is already in use by first responders

it makes good copy, but the reality of the "ooh aaah" tech is a bit different

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gf0012-aust 5/18/2011 5:24:31 PM

Gates urges end to bin Laden raid speculation

By North America correspondent Jane Cowan, wires

Posted 19 minutes ago

Two top US defence officials have urged an end to the discussion about the raid on Osama bin Laden's compound and speculation about Pakistan's role in the affair.

In his first press conference since bin Laden's death, US defence secretary Robert Gates advised against cutting off aid to Pakistan for its failure to go after Islamic militants, saying Islamabad had already been "humiliated".

"I've seen no evidence at all that the senior leadership knew. In fact, I've seen some evidence to the contrary," he said.

"But we have no evidence yet to the involvement of anybody else. But my supposition is somebody knew."

Bin Laden was killed earlier this month in a compound in Abbottabad, a garrison town near the Pakistani capital.

The incident deeply embarrassed Pakistan's military and spy agencies and led to calls by members of the US congress for a tougher approach towards the country.

With fresh details emerging daily about intelligence and surveillance techniques, America's top military official, Admiral Mike Mullen, also pleaded for an end to the speculation about the raid.

"It is time to stop talking," he said.

He says the talk stands to jeopardise future operations.

Admiral Mullen also cautioned against taking action that could worsen relations and interrupt the flow of US aid to Pakistan.

"I think we have to proceed with some caution," he said.

"We do have significant interests in Pakistan. I think that my own view would be that ... we need to continue the assistance that we have provided, the benefits to the Pakistani people."

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newjarheaddean 5/18/2011 7:34:42 PM

AHOY,

Democracy Now has some video on the stealth drone.

http://www.democracynow.org/2011/5/18/headlines its after headlines at the 1;56 minute mark.

The show today is a pretty good one, lots of info on Eric Prince i.e. former "black water" owner.

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VelocityVector Mullen & Friends 5/18/2011 9:12:16 PM

America's top military official, Admiral Mike Mullen, also pleaded for an end to the speculation about the raid.

"It is time to stop talking," he said.

He says the talk stands to jeopardise future operations.

Too big to fail? Many of us have experienced enough of that tripe at this juncture. We demand comprehensive investigation with conclusions and real-world actions based upon those conclusions. Including immediately by cutting off all US aid to the whacky Pakis and longer-term by destroying Pakistan with the collaboration of India, which should reoccupy what is now Pakistan. The Pakistanis are a suicidal race; they are going to directly help wipeout millions of Americans unless they are ended. Better to suffer modest attrition now. As for Mullen, he is a mere mouthpiece. Ignore him.

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esmoore5 More "rubbish" links. :) 5/19/2011 12:48:21 PM

Bin Laden Compound Now a Virtual Training Ground for Commandos: http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/05/osamas-compound-now-a-virtual-commando-training-ground/ Al Qaeda releases posthumous bin Laden audio recording: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110519/wl_nm/us_binladen_audio;_ylt=Ar956n1fckSBHbKoCfjA5HVvaA8F;_ylu=X3oDMTJpYzJqbzZzBGFzc2V0A25tLzIwMTEwNTE5L3VzX2JpbmxhZGVuX2F1ZGlvBGNwb3MDMQRwb3MDMQRzZWMDeW5fdG9wX3N0b3J5BHNsawNhbHFhZWRhcmVsZWE- US squeezes Pakistan after bin Laden raid: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43080077/ns/world_news-death_of_bin_laden/ Cold War Terrorist Hails Bin Laden as 'Martyr': http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/05/19/cold-war-terrorist-hails-bin-laden-martyr/

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gf0012-aust 5/19/2011 5:28:32 PM

I do have a philisophical sympathy for Mullen in the fact that the endless navel gazing that the US media applies to these events is just not good security management. - the amount of info that gets released into the public is just ridiculous for OPSEC containment. there's no shortage of ex uniforms who seem to have a need to have their place in the public sun.

in that sense I susbscribe to the SBS SASR (Aust) and SASNZ Govt discussion model of say as little as possible and protect the teams and how they do their job.. ie its no ones business how they do their op and "go and interview another TV celebrity instead" etc...

I don't have a lot of time for mullen at the personal level as I do think he's too soft on china and did the US no favours in his stance, I do support the 1000 ship navy concept, but thought that rougheads model was "better"

I try to avoid any comment that hasn't been flagged out in the open already, and even then it will only be to point out what are the obvious flaws in the argument if the media hacks had bothered to do proper research in the first place anyway.

eg as an example, when the media first commented about 4 x blackhawks and 79 bodies in train, blind freddy could have worked out that the logistics mix was all wrong, that only two were blackhawks and that the remaiing rotors has to be big enough to carry commando support (SOP) and alpha bet agency suits for "other" work. similarly prev activiities would have made it pretty apparent that SOP for an insert was to have crows running around suppressing and managing emissions going in and out. the fact that there has been an awareness about modified blackhawks going back 12 years (they even get mentioned in various histories about the original designer)

then there was the chatter about how to make the chooks quieter, again there is enough info about re the SAS UK chooks which have been acoustically managed - so none of it was new voodoo rocket science.

ditto the commentary about the exec watching TV, and even more painful, chatter about "helmet cam" - all were consistently wrong but accepted by the public as "proof" because it came from a salivating media

drawing excessive public attention to how people go about doing their job in the "special" communities is just plain dumb

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Reactive 5/19/2011 9:30:33 PM

America's top military official, Admiral Mike Mullen, also pleaded for an end to the speculation about the raid.

"It is time to stop talking," he said.

He says the talk stands to jeopardise future operations.

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The thing is, while I generally agree with you on most things but on this matter I think "too big to fall" isn't so wide of the mark...

Pakistan quite possibly has a stockpile of over 100 nuclear warheads already, as well as a reasonably plausible interest in thermonuclear designs (not that it matters) as well as 3 active plutonium producing reactors, that makes for a lot of fissile material which is a major cause for concern, not necessarily in terms of direct attacks on western interests or even against India (though both are plausible) but rather the possibility that weaponised devices or the requisite fissiles find their way either into the hands of terrorists or states like Iran, I would be very surprised no, astonished if Pakistan doesn't have contingencies in place, some of which may be assymetric, their recent interest in mobile low-yield highly mobile weapons is a major concern as well as credible reports that a 4th weapons reactor is due to enter operation within 2-3 years.

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VelocityVector Reactive 5/20/2011 2:02:05 AM

And so in 5, 10, 15, 20 or 25+ years of maintaining our present approach will we be in a better position or in a worse position as compared with today? Pay equivalent to a tithe to Islam for example in exchange for peace promised. A description of your endgame will be most appreciated, thanks.

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