Perhaps we should consider where the different Special Forces recruit from. For instance, the SBS recruits people to move up from the SAS, but not vice-versa, so we can call the SBS more elite. Likewise, while people occasionally go from US Army Delta to SEALs, the movement is largely in the opposite direction. The German and Italian units often recruit out of their MPs, and furthermore do more police functions, so I think we can dismiss them as being the equal of true combat warriors. Spetz forces in Russia are another matter. Some of their most elite combat forces proved themselves the equal or superior of any force on earth in Afghanistan – indeed, rumors say that the US military SF capabilities and defense was evaluated after learning of their performance there. While the Russian military as a whole did not perform well, the excellent performance of some of the best forces MAY excel any others experience. This is clearly debatable. Whether the Russian weapons are keeping up with their western equivalents might be taken into account too – the US SF call in air strikes and use more advanced explosives and have satellite recon, better intelligence, and the generally superior arsenals at their disposal. This alone may make them better. I wonder, though, if elite nature is the best judgment criteria. I’ll leave that to others. The mission matters as much in defining best. Delta forces have water training, but not to the extent of the SEALs (as should be obvious even to a casual observer). Likewise, SEALs can deploy from helicopters (a Delta favorite) but perhaps not as well. The same distinctions may be draw from longer missions vs. shorter missions. In Nam, it was said in the delta that Greenies (Green Berets) took the long missions, SEALs the medium ones, and recon groups the short ones. Whether or not this is true I will leave to others. Certain commando units don’t have the same field endurance as behind the lines based units, who in turn may not be as good at strike & extractions missions. So does the specialized training. Some Delta operators probably can’t pass the undersea SEALs training, and some SEALs probably don’t have the footspeed to pass the Delta sprinting requirements, to name one point. Perhaps is would be more appropriate to evaluate them as being suited to do what they are experts in. Perhaps not. Maybe we should just leave this conversation be. By the way, svaba et al, killing large numbers of people really is not a good measure of unit quality. Lets not judge the quality of units by how many people they have massacured – its not accurate or effective. Same goes to prestige, which has been suggested on here before. Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC) has some plenty elite forces, but few civilians have ever heard of it. That lack of movie flash doesn’t mean JSOC isn’t as capable or not as elite. Its hardly the only example.

the SBS recruits people to move up from the SAS, but not vice-versa, - Rook That is not true, SBS recruits exclusively from the royal marines, and as part of SBS selection must first go through thwe world renowned SAS selection, upon completion of which they continue on to SBS specific training, which is exactly the same as those members of the SAS who end up in one of the various squadrons Boat Troop.

Same goes to prestige, which has been suggested on here before. Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC) has some plenty elite forces, but few civilians have ever heard of it. That lack of movie flash doesn’t mean JSOC isn’t as capable or not as elite. Its hardly the only example" @Rook, there's quite alot of misinformed opinion in you're post, but I'll just deal with this part above, JSOC, or Joint special operation's command, is not a special operation's unit, it is the "supply" command for DEVGRU and CAG and a few other more specialist unit's. their is no unit called JSOC just as there is no unit called SOCOM

I think the SBS is more better trained than members of the SAS boat troop otherwise there would be no need for the SBS

I think the SBS is more better trained than members of the SAS boat troop otherwise there would be no need for the SBS" no, the orignall intent of having the SAS/SBS devide was that the SBS wouldbe the maritime sof, supporting the RN, carring out maritime ct ect, while the SAS would be the land component, the SAS's boat troop's were to be given the maritme role from the surf to the beach, to carryout recce's, DA mission's, the SBS's were more broad, to carry out hydrographic survey, ship attack's, GOPLAT, EOD,ect maritime mission's, but now it's pritty blured and they both carry out similar task's, but this thing of the SBS is better then the SAS, well they still have diffrences in role's, the SAS do far more mobility mission's, mor CT and HR, and more undercover work, not that the SBS don't do it, just the SAS does more, does that mean the SAS is better now?.............my answear no, just different

I know some of French Combat Diver,They trained the Israelian commandos and they often train with great world's units:SBS, Seals (there is always one Seal Officer since ABOUT 1960 IN THE COMMANDO HUBERT),Marines recon... Germen Combat diver, Italian Combat diver... Most of them think that south Africa and Netherlands have individualy some of the best commandos in the world. Think about that. They told me also that the best combat divers in the world are the Italians. They told me that SBS ans Seals are not realy Combat Divers like French, germen and italian...What do you think about that?

The best trained military unit on the planet is Red Cell. They are made up of about 12 or so SEALs (the majority of who were formerly in Devgru) and were developed to test the USN's and USMC's base security. The guys are about as 'Superman' as Hollywood makes SOF soldiers out to be. They were created by Richard Marcinko...do a google search and see what you come up with (not sure if their is much open source info on them, other than what is in Marcinko's book).

>>They told me that SBS ans Seals are not realy Combat Divers like French, germen and italian...What do you think about that? << Yeah, the difference being that the SBS and SEALs prefer to put a gun in the fight, instead of swimming under the ocean floor trying to get rid of mines.

The best trained military unit on the planet is Red Cell. They are made up of about 12 or so SEALs (the majority of who were formerly in Devgru) and were developed to test the USN's and USMC's base security. The guys are about as 'Superman' as Hollywood makes SOF soldiers out to be. They were created by Richard Marcinko...do a google search and see what you come up with (not sure if their is much open source info on them, other than what is in Marcinko's book).<< ah.......no, "Red Cell" was a highly trained, specialised unit, does that make it the best.....no, it did what it did, well, but if you wanted an aircraft intervention, or an IPTP set up, you wouldn't have called RC to do it, btw, it's "Red cell" past tense, it no longer exsists in that form.

Yeah, the difference being that the SBS and SEALs prefer to put a gun in the fight, instead of swimming under the ocean floor trying to get rid of mines.<< with out the Italian's there would be no SBS or SEAL's since they invented modern Naval combat swimming, and COMSUBIN is considered one of the better unit's on the planet along with the French CH and the German KSWK, just becasue they don't have movies made about them GOP, does not mean, they don't know what they are doing like everyone one else, if you make it to the team's you'll be working beside them, you have to show proffessional respect to Brother Frog's ;)