Between the  Isareli speecial forces and the British SAS. Though if I'm to be very frank the British are definately the best. Them guys know what they doing for real. Nearly joined the royal marines. Dude its not the place you really want to be.

Well, the body count is not the most important part of that conflict
but that incident was almost a repetition of Gulf Of Tonkin Incident.



About the body count: There were 11 Turkish soldiers. The team
commander Major aydin E. said, "They were approaching so clumsyly that
we could kill at least 60 and we will also die, but it would sore the
relations of the two nations incurably"



Sorry for the translation. The original is like this:

"O kadar acemice geliyorlardi ki, en az 60 kisiyi öldürürdük, biz de ölürdük ama iki ülke arasinda kapanmaz bir yara olusurdu"



Ops, sorry, I have learned it was the major who decided and gave order
not to fire. In fact it was obvious from the translation.

Dude, use your fucking brain. If we would have wanted to kill Turkish SOF, do you think we would use ground troops? No, we would have hit them with some JDAM's and some armor, then follow with ground troops. We have thousands of troops in that area (dozens of SOF guys), thousands of Iraqi military and police (dozens of their SOF guys) abrams, bradleys, apaches, dozens of jets loaded with PGM's, Up armored humvees, Strykers, and other assorted destructive goodness...so the reason your Major didn't fire was because he knew it would be suicidal. 

He could kill 60 US troops? With only 11 guys? SOF guys (not operators anymore, thanks to Mough ) live and die by speed, suprise, and violence of action. If the bad guys know where they are, and they are outnumbered 6-1 (like in this case), and they are surrounded, then they are most likely going to die. SOF guys are not super men (sorry, don't mean that disrespectfully Mough), they die the same as regular troops.

What? They are definitely the best??? At what, everything?

This thread has brought out all of the uneducated posters on this site. The guys who man these units would probably laugh at some of the stuff that has been written about them.

come on GOP you should know by now that us reggies ARE the best at everything (that's what sergeant bill said anyway and he's supermans cousin so he should know) and as for the isreali speecial forces , well ofcourse they are too because the have an extra "e" in speecial so they just are

I said that linking (or quoting) wikepedia is not the smartest thing to do while making a point. Why? For the simple reason that I can go on wikepedia, and say that the Zambian 446th cupcake battalion has won the "Special Forces Olympics" ( it sounds like a retards and wheelchair competition) 3 years in a row, and that they are the best in the world because of that.  Let me tell you this my Turkish friend, announcing your IQ online, as well as touting the superiority of Turkish soldiers does not tend to impress people. I may take all of this back if I see a post from you that even resembles intelligence. Until then, I will have to respectfully ask that you do not bring a child into this world. If you have already, please consider adoption.

But we are not your allies kane. I think Turkey refusing to have the 4th ID invade from Turkey into Northern Iraq was uncontested proof of this. If you think that action has no consequence on future events and the relationshop between our countries, you would be wrong. We won't forget it. To be an ally, you must act like an ally. And quite frankly, the Kurds have been far better friends than you guys ever were. They aren't giving us a hard time in the North, and are very cooperative. While I do not support terrorism in any shape or form, be it from Arabs, Kurds, or anyone. But I won't lose sleep over the fact that we do not support Turkish incursions into Iraq to attack the Kurds, which the turks have done for shits and grins for a long time. So is it any wonder why we support the Kurds and not the Turks. I for one, would rather support the people who have helped me out, or at the very least, did not give me a hard time. I don't have much time for a people who pretends to be our ally for their benefit yet deny us the use of Turkey to attack Iraq.

turks have been allies with america for half a century or so now.  they even offered their own troops to assist with the gulf war 2 and in numbers that would have put them firmly in place as the 2nd biggest contributor to the war. 

look at it from the turk's pov for a second dk.  your "ally" is protecting people who cross into your country and attack your citizens and soldiers regularly.  your "ally" says no you cannot cross the border to strike the terrorists training camps and logistics.  just how long do you think you'd put up with that?

 

the turks are the kind of allies who let you base nukes on their soil to attack russia with with all the ugly consequences that would entail for them.  throwing this kind of ally away over a bit of field expedient diplomacy seems foolish to me.

Look at it from our perspective ehran. What if your "ally" told you that you cannot use their country to invade Iraq. What if you see and hear about your "allies" burning American flags, or you see your "allies" cheering in the streets after 9/11. The only reason we are allied with Turkey is for strategic reasons. We scratch their backs, they scratch ours. There is absolutely no altruism in this alliance, and quite frankly, the Turks did not allow us to put ICBM's on their soil because they felt it was their duty to honor their alliance. They too, were not too fond of the Soviets. So yes, I for one would not be thrilled to allow the Turks to attack the Kurds, who have been real allies in this thing.