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Center Peel, Fire and Manouver tactic.
YOUGOTYOURASSKICKED
6/15/2008 5:39:25 AM
I know the SEALs use this(and probably other SOF do also) But i want to know who Invented it.
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GOP
6/15/2008 2:07:10 PM
I know the SEALs use this(and probably other SOF do also) But i want to know who Invented it.
Im not sure who invented it, but it has been around for a long time. Just about every SOF unit and many other unit use that too (Fire and Maneuvre *sp* is used by just about every combat arms units in the US I believe). Peeling out and Bounding are very basic movements done by even smaller units (from 2 man up). I believe it was even used in WWII.
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Horsesoldier
6/15/2008 3:44:32 PM
Well, the technique is sometimes referred to as an "Australian Peel," which may suggest its origins, or at least where US forces learned it from.
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GOP
6/15/2008 5:27:21 PM
Well, the technique is sometimes referred to as an "Australian Peel," which may suggest its origins, or at least where US forces learned it from.
True. Ive almost always heard it called an "Australian peel" as well, but I have heard it called a center peel too.
Horse, do regular infantry units train the Australian peel very often to your knowledge? I remember reading on a certain contractor's website that one of the reason's PMC's can't hire many regular Army guys is because they aren't profecient at certain things like Australian Peels, etc.
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YOUGOTYOURASSKICKED
6/15/2008 7:11:25 PM
thx guys.
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Old Grunt
Regular infantry and the "Peel"
6/16/2008 8:23:45 AM
The purpose of the "peel" is to get away from unexpected contact as quickly as possible. There is no intent to press engagement with the enemy. The technique lends itself well to this scenario because it presents the smallest possible front to the bad guys, i.e a single man. When properly executed the personnel who are not in contact, generally the 4th man and those behind him, exit the area as quickly as possible in a predetermined direction for a predetermined distance and set up a hasty defense in order to support their rapidly retreating buddies. Those first three guys will go through the familiar "Fire, Roll Left/Right, Beat Feet to the rear, Drop, Prepare to Fire" drill that you're familiar with. Once out of direct contact, the survivors link up with the rest of the team and CM.
Regular infantry guys
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intend to press the engagement so the "peel" is of little use. Those not in contact maneuver to create a larger base of fire in order to support the maneuver of those in contact. Once this is done, the Guy in Charge (GIC) makes the call as to whether his unit can handle the situation or if they need additional support.
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Horsesoldier
6/16/2008 8:47:15 PM
Horse, do regular infantry units train the Australian peel very often to your knowledge? I remember reading on a certain contractor's website that one of the reason's PMC's can't hire many regular Army guys is because they aren't profecient at certain things like Australian Peels, etc.
+1 what OldGrunt said. The only conventional-ish guys I've heard of training on the technique are LRS guys. I'm not sure if a conventional infantry unit could get all the safety waivers and such signed off on by higher headquarters without demonstrating some real mission requirement to do it, like small units in contact, etc.
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longrifle
6/16/2008 10:46:33 PM
As others have mentioned, the Aussie peel off is more of a recon team tactic. It's seldom practiced in light infantry units. Light infantry units use a modern version of what you might call "skirmish line" tactics.
When the lead fire team in a rifle squad reacts to contact the enire fire team gets on line and starts shooting. From there other fire teams and crew served weapons usually enter the fray. After that, the platoon leader starts consider options like enveloping/flanking attacks, etc.
Breaking contact for a light infantry unit usually involves fire teams and squads covering each other while bounding back; although, within the fire teams you certainly move by individuals and buddy teams.
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GOP
6/17/2008 5:39:35 PM
The purpose of the "peel" is to get away from unexpected contact as quickly as possible. There is no intent to press engagement with the enemy. The technique lends itself well to this scenario because it presents the smallest possible front to the bad guys, i.e a single man. When properly executed the personnel who are not in contact, generally the 4th man and those behind him, exit the area as quickly as possible in a predetermined direction for a predetermined distance and set up a hasty defense in order to support their rapidly retreating buddies. Those first three guys will go through the familiar "Fire, Roll Left/Right, Beat Feet to the rear, Drop, Prepare to Fire" drill that you're familiar with. Once out of direct contact, the survivors link up with the rest of the team and CM.
Regular infantry guys
DO
intend to press the engagement so the "peel" is of little use. Those not in contact maneuver to create a larger base of fire in order to support the maneuver of those in contact. Once this is done, the Guy in Charge (GIC) makes the call as to whether his unit can handle the situation or if they need additional support.
Thanks for the great info, Old Grunt.
I guess thats why I've never heard of a regular infantry unit doing australian peels.
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DropBear
6/17/2008 10:45:29 PM
The Aussie Peel-Back, Tunnel of Love and Yippee Shoot are used to good effect by armoured dismounted recon units as well.
Not just pure infantry in tactic.
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