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Subject: Special Operation Aviation Units
John Barry    10/22/2007 9:46:00 AM
You mostly see discussions about the special forces ground elements(SAS vs SBS, SAS vs Delta, SAS vs Seals). I would like to know what other nations have that is comparable to the US's 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment. I hear alot about the 160th but not much about other countries. Do other nations have them and you just don't hear about them or is the 160th in a league of the own? Can only the US afford to keep dedicated air support elements for her special operation forces?
 
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gf0012-aust       10/22/2007 10:49:44 AM
 
 I was under the impression that the 160th had been merged with the rest of the specwarrie community....
 
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John Barry       10/22/2007 3:37:49 PM
 

 "I was under the impression that the 160th had been merged with the rest of the specwarrie community...."

 I don?t know exactly what you mean ?merged with the rest of the specwarrie community?.   I know that everybody in the special ops field is working together in the GWOT, I don?t know if I would call that ?merged?.

  My question was, take the British for example, do they have a aviation unit like the 160th geared to support the SAS and SBS?

 
 
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John Barry       10/22/2007 3:42:10 PM
Try this again
 
"I was under the impression that the 160th had been merged with the rest of the specwarrie community...."

 I don't know exactly what you mean "merged with the rest of the specwarrie community".   I know that everybody in the special ops field is working together in the GWOT, I don't know if I would call that "merged". 

  My question was, take the British for example, do they have a aviation unit like the 160th geared to support the SAS and SBS?

 
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Horsesoldier       10/22/2007 11:25:23 PM
Well, 160th is a part of SOCOM, but it hasn't rolled into or merged with any other SOCOM commands, etc.  They're good folks to work with.
 
As for foreign counterparts, the UK has some aviation units to support UKSF which would be comparable to both 160th and some AFSOC units, though their capabilities and numbers are quite a bit smaller than 160th (much less 160th + AFSOC).  I think the Australians have a helicopter unit that supports their CT assets or the SASR in general as well.
 
I'm not familiar with any other comparable foreign units.
 
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gf0012-aust       10/23/2007 12:40:09 AM

I think the Australians have a helicopter unit that supports their CT assets or the SASR in general as well.

5th Aviation Regiment.  They're SASR's defacto air taxi unit.....

 
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DropBear       10/23/2007 12:51:47 AM
5th Aviation Regiment.  They're SASR's defacto air taxi unit.....

 5AR isn't exclusively role optimised as the SASR chariot battlewagons.
 
The Chooks and Craphawks are used on rotation for SASR needs, but they are more often used for the local Towny based guys and utility troop support.
 
Is the flight of Craphawks that is now based at Holsworthy to support TAG-East etc, still a sqn element of 5AR? If so, then yes, we have a dedicated spec flight. But the Townsvill based 5AR is a garden variety aviation regiment.

 
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