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Subject: Guatemalan Special Forces
Iano    12/11/2004 2:59:46 PM
Hi there does anyone know about the Guatemalan Special Forces? Of interest, if there was a fight between Guatemalan Special Forces, and Brtish Territorial Infantry, all other factors being equal, who would your money be on?
 
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Ispose    Re: kpenmb   10/19/2009 2:05:35 PM
KPENMB - BS
The Brits would win easily because they have the ability to force the Guats to fight the fight they want them to. They don't need to chase them down thru the jungle...they just need to close in on Guatamalas high priority targets...Capital. political leadership, etc and force them to either capitulate or fight a battle they are not trained or equiped to win. The Gaut SF cannot stop the Brits from winning a war because they don't have the assets or manpower to keep the Brits from their high priority targets..period.
At best they would be an annoyance and would cause the Brits to lose more troops than just fighting the Guatamalan regular force...but they cannot stop them.
So what if you can bench 540 lbs...I have my doubts there...but run up against a challenger tank with you trusty survival knife and see how well that works.
 
 
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kpemnb    kpemnb   1/13/2010 10:19:38 AM
ispose.
I think you are missing what i did go on about yes they would just win due to support dur.
just a thought have you had any fighting ? hand to hand and i mean hand to hand kills sir! have you been in a fire fight?
 did you miss the whole lightness of this site  man lifes too short why did i say i am still fit and strong this is at 50 i still have the mind set. and yes i do lift 540lbs  its a fact and its posted etc so nar nar nar lol..  and umm do you think a tank would get in the depts of puten or on the hill tops  and the range is not that good lol. the question was a who would win. well the brits due to manpower as i said  but on a man to man  nop on a company to company as i said depends on the day etc. could the brits work in a 3 t jungle  not for long  as just the kaibil would be out of place in norway.
 
But let me say  keep it light as it was a Q thats it  and unless you have had training from both sides  like some usa army and uk army personal you can not say only think what if.
kpemnb
 
 
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Ispose    Re: kpneb   1/19/2010 11:45:28 AM
US Army Combat Engineer 1981-1987
So I do have some experience....My arguement is that no matter how good the Guat SF guys are...they cannot stop the British in this scenario. If they had decent Guat regular army units that could actually do the heavy work of engaging the British and keep them in place so they could do SF work....maybe. But in actual combat the Guat Regular forces would be rendered combat ineffective very quickly. Then it would fall on the SF troops to defend the capital or whatever other high value target against a very competent heavy mechanized force...they just can't do it....not enough mobility, artillery, etc.
You also have to realize that in this scenario that the Guats would not only have to content with not only the British regulars but also some SAS/SBS units as well. All the British SF forces need to do is locate the Guat SF units and call in the heavy artillery, airstrikes, whatever. There is no way they can win...nothing against individual skills or bravery just sheer firepower, mobility, and situational awareness capabilities of the British will overwhelm them.
Just my opinion but look at what happened to the Iraqis....crap regular forces, poor leadership, some competent SF type units and they were annihlated by US forces....just not in the same league.
Guatamala doesn't have the resources to field a western quality military...so for the most bang for the buck having decent SF gives them the most capabilities against their most likely opponents...insurgents, drug bandits, etc. The regular army will be capable enough to support the SF against these types of opponents...but not against a western, NATO type military.
 
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YOUGOTYOURASSKICKED       1/19/2010 7:41:51 PM
The Russian's Spetsnaz is not even a good SOF unit. From what I've heard they tend to kill more of their own guys then they do to the enemy. They also get their asses handed to them by the Chechens frequently. As for the Guatemalan SF vs. British Territorial Infantry? I have no clue about either, I'm gonna have to do some research. However, I do know that there was a video circulating on the internet a while back that portrayed Guatemalan SF mowing down civvies. Although, I have no clue as to if they truly are Guatemalans, or if it's just some sensationalism propaganda. It could also be from the 80's, I'd have no clue.
 
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YOUGOTYOURASSKICKED       1/19/2010 7:48:38 PM
When a small, mobile SOF unit comes across a larger, bulkier, more powerful unit they'll usually break contact. Like I said, SF only fight on their terms. That's what makes them so lucky. The downside: they get ridiculously dangerous operations.
 
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