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Subject: SEALS vs. USMC FORCE RECON
colts    4/17/2006 3:42:16 AM
I really want to join the military although I am not sure which brance I want to go to. I want to go behind enemy lines and get "down and dirty" so to speak. I want the most action I can get, and not just recon, I want to shoot, fight, I REALLY want combat. I want HALO jumps, scuba training, I want it all. Which branch would be the best for me. I want the hardest training, best training i can get. P.S. I also heard that navy boot camp and army boot camp is a bunch of bull and for in pussies and do not want to be a part of that. Is the CORE still as bad ass as always?
 
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dirtykraut       5/1/2007 12:04:25 AM
SCCO, I have read your comments and I agree with you that you were only trying to point out who FAST is and what FAST does. For some reason, everyone interpreted what you said into some kind of dick measuring SOF contest. When it is clearly not what you set out to do. I understand your position when people compare FAST to DEVGRU, US Marines to Royal Marines, and I have seen it done before. If anyone is really dumb enough to see everything in balck and white, than it proves their lack of knowledge about military affairs. Because you don't compare US Marines to Royal Marines and you don't compare FAST to DEVGRU. To do so would not only be in ignorance of each of these units, it brings us to a lower level. I am glad you pointed that out.
 
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stratbert       5/1/2007 8:23:35 PM

BTW, the only HALO combat jump since the GWOT by US forces has been by the Marines...not SEAL's

This is not correct, and no you don't need to know any more.
 
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GOP       5/1/2007 8:44:04 PM



BTW, the only HALO combat jump since the GWOT by US forces has been by the Marines...not SEAL's


This is not correct, and no you don't need to know any more.


But, but...I thought SEAL stood for Sleep, Eat, and Lift.
 
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GOP       5/1/2007 10:20:42 PM

SCCO, I have read your comments and I agree with you that you were only trying to point out who FAST is and what FAST does. For some reason, everyone interpreted what you said into some kind of dick measuring SOF contest. When it is clearly not what you set out to do. I understand your position when people compare FAST to DEVGRU, US Marines to Royal Marines, and I have seen it done before. If anyone is really dumb enough to see everything in balck and white, than it proves their lack of knowledge about military affairs. Because you don't compare US Marines to Royal Marines and you don't compare FAST to DEVGRU. To do so would not only be in ignorance of each of these units, it brings us to a lower level. I am glad you pointed that out.



I didn't compare DEVGRU to FAST, I said DEVGRU whips FAST's a**, there is a difference (and I realize I was off base, by the way).
 
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mough       5/2/2007 2:53:54 AM



BTW, the only HALO combat jump since the GWOT by US forces has been by the Marines...not SEAL's


This is not correct, and no you don't need to know any more.
If your thinking about what I think your thinking about, you should not have brought it up.......good one

 
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GOP       5/2/2007 11:23:52 AM







BTW, the only HALO combat jump since the GWOT by US forces has been by the Marines...not SEAL's



This is not correct, and no you don't need to know any more.

If your thinking about what I think your thinking about, you should not have brought it up.......good one


But wait, I know what both of you are thinking and if it's something like I'm thinking, then...wait. Could it be one of you is thinking something I'm thinking but not what we are all thinking? Or is it that thing that I'm thinking that I shouldn't think?
You guys suck with your little OPSEC and such things.
 
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dirtykraut       5/4/2007 3:00:25 PM




SCCO, I have read your comments and I agree with you that you were only trying to point out who FAST is and what FAST does. For some reason, everyone interpreted what you said into some kind of dick measuring SOF contest. When it is clearly not what you set out to do. I understand your position when people compare FAST to DEVGRU, US Marines to Royal Marines, and I have seen it done before. If anyone is really dumb enough to see everything in balck and white, than it proves their lack of knowledge about military affairs. Because you don't compare US Marines to Royal Marines and you don't compare FAST to DEVGRU. To do so would not only be in ignorance of each of these units, it brings us to a lower level. I am glad you pointed that out.





I didn't compare DEVGRU to FAST, I said DEVGRU whips FAST's a**, there is a difference (and I realize I was off base, by the way).

GOP, that comment was not directed particularly at you. However, saying that DEVGRU whips FAST's ass is indeed a comparison. What SCCO was trying to point out is that FAST is very good at their job; security, and DEVGRU is very good at theirs; killing people. I hate to use the cliche, but it's like saying a heart surgeon is better than a dentists. Now I don't mean to lecture you, as your a knowledgabel guy and you know your stuff, but that is the point SCCO was trying to make, and I am trying to acknowledge it.
 
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ingnoway    shooting etc.   5/16/2007 7:33:40 PM

Basic response: as Horsesoldier says, go for either Army or Corps, since you will get combat nowadays anyway. If you join the Army, the chances of not getting sent to either 'Stan or Iraq are slim, and if you are in 10th, 82nd or 101st, then you will be seeing almost spec ops type combat anyway (in the current wars, there is less concept of frontlines).

One thing to be careful of is this, if you go in with the attitude of 'all I want is to go behind enemy lines and shoot', you will probably not get into elite units. As horse says, discipline is as important as drive!
  If I were you, I'd go Navy!If you fail BUD/s, you have two excellent choices: SWCC and EOD.
 

 
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ingnoway    Info   5/16/2007 7:38:17 PM







The SEALs and Recon are for the most part equal. 



Really? So Recon will be doing 10 mile Combat swimmer operations and SEALs will be doing holed up in some hidesite for days reporting back to the USMC? Different mission tasks, different missions. Now, on the things like DA and such, they are probably equal. I tend to think the Teams are superior at HALO, but I'm sure that isn't always the case. Recon has an advantage I believe at Long Range Recce. Obviously the SEALs are superior at combat swimming. As far as OPLAT, they are probably equal, although I do think that the Teams have a wider variety of transportation options (due to the fact that they are combat swimmers). H2H is also probably a tossup, but I do really like the SEALs CQD system.

So,  basically:



 



Combat swimmer: SEAL



Recce: Recon



Others: Tossup.



 



 



All these things are variable lad, if a FR unit is doing more DA missions then a given SEAL platoon, ect ect, then the FR team would be considered "better", skill's get used or they get rusty, you can train and train all you want, but unless those skills are employed it's really a mute point,

BTW, you can't really be better at HALO jumping, your either good or dead...


How do you know this? I was on a westpac, with FR and SEALS and they never speak about their ops?
But, I'm not saying your wrong either etc.
 
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mough       5/17/2007 1:19:25 PM



Basic response: as Horsesoldier says, go for either Army or Corps, since you will get combat nowadays anyway. If you join the Army, the chances of not getting sent to either 'Stan or Iraq are slim, and if you are in 10th, 82nd or 101st, then you will be seeing almost spec ops type combat anyway (in the current wars, there is less concept of frontlines).

One thing to be careful of is this, if you go in with the attitude of 'all I want is to go behind enemy lines and shoot', you will probably not get into elite units. As horse says, discipline is as important as drive!

  If I were you, I'd go Navy!If you fail BUD/s, you have two excellent choices: SWCC and EOD.
 


Are you saying getting into Navy EOD's is easier then the SEAL's?
 
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