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Subject: NAVY SEALS VS BRITISH SAS
LJ813    7/1/2005 9:34:17 PM
I WILL GO FOR THE NAVY..
 
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tweaked-up       9/24/2010 10:10:40 PM
I think you mean the irainian embassy, prince gate london 1980
 
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gf0012-aust       9/25/2010 1:56:30 AM

I think you mean the irainian embassy, prince gate london 1980

Princes Gate. Op Nimrod
 
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apachewhite       10/14/2010 6:14:38 AM

haha i said it as my view, which is educated compared to most. :) oh you do, so your some covert mofo. hahaa what a load of shite mate... and task force black is well known now as it has been abandoned when the sas were moved out of iraq. :) hahaha your so funny trying to act all in the know..im talking on a forum i didnt say it was frikkin the absolute fact so stop blowig your own trumpet.. can bet a buck that i kow a ell of a lot more people than you in those circles.. your a wannabe
right cause knowing people that run in those circles makes you legit, right?
    Here are my credentials: I am 16 and live in Kansas, USA. Never been in the military and am def not an expert, but heres the actuality of how SF stack up against each other: it is impossible to know. Not only are most ops classified, but they are on a need to know basis, meaning that other SF operators do not know about other SF groups-even within their own units/divisons/what have you, meaning there is no way in hell a bunch of civs on a forum are going to know. For all we know, SAS could be running ops in China daily and failing missions as often as they succeed, same can be said for SEALs. Casualties could be much greater than we know (dont think that governments cant keep families silent). Besides, comparing SAS to SEALs is like comparing an AK to an M16, just because people do it all the time doesnt mean the two should be compared. All i have to say on whos better, is that if you took 9 seals and 9 sas and had them fight, itd be a damn good fight. or maybe they wouldnt fight at all. regardless america has enough nukes to sink great britain. As a british friend of mine once said: great britain is the father of america, and america is at the point when a son can beat up his father.
(side note, most SAS are older and more experienced than SEALs and experience is more important than any training. It shows you can do what you have to and be alive in the end.)

 
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Heorot       10/14/2010 7:24:00 PM
Apache.
 
how good are Seals?
 
Ask the hostage that they fragged by mistake this week. Tossing grenades in a hostage rescue when you haven't located the hostage is just plain STUPID, not to say unprofessional.
 
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USN-MID       10/14/2010 11:53:28 PM

Apache.

 

how good are Seals?

 

Ask the hostage that they fragged by mistake this week. Tossing grenades in a hostage rescue when you haven't located the hostage is just plain STUPID, not to say unprofessional.


Or you could ask the crew of M/V MAERSK ALABAMA when the pirates around him had their heads blown off while being towed by a moving destroyer. Bet he'd have a different opinion.
 
Any given day...shit happens. If this guy screwed up, he'll be gone. That kind of unit doesn't tolerate those kinds of mistakes. But good intel and luck are as much a part of this as anything else. 
Speaking of shit happening: the SAS shot up a SBS team in the Falklands. And if you think that's the only SAS screwup in history, I've got a bridge for sale. Blue on blue is stupid and unprofessional as well, but being a wise ass about a tragedy without all the facts, sitting in comfort, is even more so.
 
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hellsaw11b       11/11/2010 10:10:03 AM
I have to disagree. Green Berets ARE  The US Army Special Forces.  Rangers are on the level of Para, yes. But Green Berets are on a whole other level, the Tier One level. Masters at force multiplication and unconventional warfare. Most Green Berets come from units like the 82nd Airborne or the Ranger batts before they go to selection and the Q course. As for SAS and SEALS, I agree that it is like comparing apples to oranges. I will say that SOCOM units in the US Armed Forces, are more trained  towards specific missions, while the SAS are more rounded Soldiers. Delta and the SAS are more comparable, and an argument on who is better is just stupid being that they both are basically the same, and train together and exchange soldiers quite often. However, all are worthy of respect in my book and I'm sure we all agree on that. Happy Veterans Day
 
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US WAR CHILD    Subject: NAVY SEALS VS BRITISH SAS   12/13/2010 12:28:01 PM
I HAVE BEEN READING A LOT OF THESE POSTS AND A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE IT EXACTLY CORRECT DELTA AND THE SAS ARE MUCH ALIKE IN MANY WAYS, I AM AN AMERICAN MY DAD WAS IN DELTA FOR 14 YEARS AND 6 OF THEM AS DELTA INSTRUCTOR  AND HE ONCE TOLD ME ABOUT THE TRAINING TEAM SPENDING 12 WEEKS BEING TRAINED BY THE BRITISH SAS IN SOUTH AMERICA AND ALASKA. THE TRUTH IS THESE DAYS THEY ARE MUCH ALIKE, HOWEVER MY DAD STILL SAYS THAT THE SAS ARE THE BEST HE'S EVER SEEN, MUCH OF THE US TRAINING IS IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER DRIPPED DOWN AND ADAPED FROM BRITISH TRAINING. WE FORGET THAT THE BRITISH HAVE BEEN FIGHTING WARS BEFORE AMERICA WAS EVEN COLONISED BY WHITE PEOPLE THEY HAVE PEDIGREE WHEN IT COMES TO ALL ASPECTS MILITARY. AS THE US AND UK ARE ALLIES THESE DAYS MUCH OF THE TRAINING AND INTEL IS SHARED. IF THERE IS A BETTER WAY OF DOING SOMETHING WETHER ITS DEVELOPED BY US OR UK THEN EITHER WILL ADOPT IT BECAUSE IT MAKES SENCE. DELTA AND SAS ARE VERY SIMILAR THESE DAYS BUT EVERYTHING COMES FROM THE BRITISH AND THEN ALTERED TO SUIT. IF THE BRITISH HAD NOT TRAINED US FORCES IN THE BEGINNING THEN THEY WOULD STILL BE AHEAD. AS IT IS NOW THEY ARE EQUAL. MY KNOWLEDGE OF ALL OF THIS COMES FROM MY DAD AND HE SAYS THE SAS ARE THE BEST AND HE WAS DELTA, HOWEVER IM PRETTY SURE THESE DAYS THEY ARE EQUAL. 
 
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Patton       12/13/2010 5:03:30 PM

Shouldn't the thread be titled 'NAVY SEALS VS SBS'?

Comparing apples and oranges like this is nonsense anyway. The Navy Seals are trained and equipped for a multitude of tasks not primarily focused on the kind of warfare practised by units like Delta and the SAS. Although i've read that the Navy Seals have been actively involved in land warfare operations in conjunction with Delta and the Army's other special forces/raider units.

As for the SAS, well, they've got the most rigorous selection and training regime in the world, plus each trooper is trained in a multitude of tasks allowing that individual to reasonably operate in a team or individually in any environment anywhere in the world.
I concur.  Comparing the SEAL's to the SAS is like comparing  the SBS to Delta Force.  A better comparison would be the SEAL  NavSpecWarGru's vs. Russian Naval Spetznaz Bdes, or German Combat Swimmers.  Delta, by the way, is based on the Brit 22nd SAS Rgt.

 
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z-man12321    about the 99.9 percent need not apply slogun   12/21/2010 11:23:06 AM
the motto for the Royal Marine Commandos is mainly 'Its a state of mind', but '99.9 percent need not apply is used frequently'.
For the facts the actual drop out rate for the Royal Marine Commandos is 90 percent. which means that only 10 percent of those who start the training programme actualy make it to the pass out parade where they are made fully fledged marines.
 
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gaffer    SAS vs SEALS   12/24/2010 1:16:30 AM
The SAS have never failed on a mission. Great history and tradition from the days of David Sterling in the western desert till now. Elite military tactics were all developed by SAS. HALO,is an sas innovation. Remember Falklands war SAS units jumped from 40,000 feet into the freezing south atlantic in the dead of night and swam 2 miles to shore to disrupt Argentine forces on land. Has SEALS ever done anything like that successfully? Remember the SAS unit in Iraq that was descovered behind enemy lines by the kid who they refused to kill. They took on the Iraqi forces and traveled nearly 200 miles or so eluding the Iraqis  to the Syrian border,only 2 of them survived but they killed a lot of Iraqi's for each SAS man killed.There are a lot of counter insergence operations the SAS do we dont even know about. If you are a terrorist and they are sent to get you they are going to get you. Also each SAS man is not only trained but highly skilled in a vast varity of weapons You can do a lot of TRAINING but accumplishing the mission is another thing. To answer one post, if the British wanted to take an oil rig from terrorists they would use the SBS. The Special Air Service motto "He who dares wins" is not a joke.
 
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