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Subject: NAVY SEALS VS BRITISH SAS
LJ813    7/1/2005 9:34:17 PM
I WILL GO FOR THE NAVY..
 
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GOP       4/2/2008 12:18:12 AM
Thats some cool stuff about the Fijians, I would have never had known that if not for this board. True quite professionals.
 
So, after hearing about this, is it safe to say that you can almost always be guaranteed a high rate of success after if you get a highly motivated, very well trained group of guys together and let them use their wits/smarts and give them freedom to act? I often hear about how US SOF units often have their hands tied due to ROE's, I feel that if they were given more freedom that they could do much more damage to the enemy. Thoughts?
 
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YOUGOTYOURASSKICKED       5/4/2008 11:26:29 PM
I dont really know anything about any special forces/commandos anywhere else in the world except for the U.S. and i only know about the Navy SEALs(because im going to try and become one) but i have ENORMOUS respect for ALL special forces, military(allies) etc. and I know that the Navy SEALs are "elite" and that they do extremely tough training(possibly the toughest in the world,) and are versatile in almost any type of warfare(especially Maritime operations. combat swimming, underwater demo. and Hydrographic surveys.)                



And that's all i really have to say right now.   
 
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GOP       5/5/2008 12:17:27 AM
So, I am pretty sold on the idea that it is all about the individual. I recently went to a shooting course (more like a fighting course, as in 'Fighting Rifle' ;), and my class mates ranged from a Anasthesiologist (sp?) to a SWAT cop to a Army Ranger, a High Risk Civilian Contractor and everything in between (mostly civilians like myself). And, what I saw suprised me. It's all up to the individual I believe.
 
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YOUGOTYOURASSKICKED       5/7/2008 1:09:16 AM
And thats why MOST(if not all) special forces(U.S. and Foreign) train the individual. determination, motivation, and the desire to suceed is all a man really needs to complete the mission(along with teamwork and PERSERVERENCE) perserverence plays a big role. never give up.



At least thats what the SEALs are taught(but im pretty sure alot of other SF do this as well)  BUD/s itself is a test of perserverence.
 
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GOP       5/7/2008 2:31:56 AM

And thats why MOST(if not all) special forces(U.S. and Foreign) train the individual. determination, motivation, and the desire to suceed is all a man really needs to complete the mission(along with teamwork and PERSERVERENCE) perserverence plays a big role. never give up.



At least thats what the SEALs are taught(but im pretty sure alot of other SF do this as well)  BUD/s itself is a test of perserverence.


It's all about mindset dude. I was told by a former SEAL at the course about 2 weeks ago something similar that I thought was cool. He said that you don't have to be a good shooter, very fit, or have the best equipment to be a great SOF operator. You have to have the mindset to go into the enemies backyard, and you can burn his house down if you wnant and shoot em as they come out if you have to. The main thing is having THAT mindset to always win and the audacity and brains to do it.
 
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GOP       5/7/2008 4:54:04 PM
Also, how old are you? I used to have big dreams of becoming a SEAL when I was younger (I'm still pretty young at 18), but that changed as I got older.
 
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YOUGOTYOURASSKICKED       5/8/2008 1:42:20 AM
TRUE. its cool to meet someone who actually knows a bit about the Navy SEAls.

Im 14. i turn 15 in sept. its my dream to become a SEAL.

im going to college.(probably get a degree in physics.) then go to BUD/S.

are you thinking of joining the Military or any Special Forces?
 
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YOUGOTYOURASSKICKED       5/8/2008 1:50:14 AM
HELL WEEK.   this is a true test of mind over matter. this is the core of the SEALs.

Of all the battles a SEAL (Sea, Air, Land) must fight, none is more important than their first? the battle of mind over body.

The voice was back. That small, self-doubting messenger returned to pitch its familiar monologue, ?This is BS! Why are you putting yourself through this? You are never gonna make it all the way, so quit now and call it a day!?

Basic Underwater Demolitions and SEAL (BUD/S) instructors know the human machine is capable of amazing endurance even in the harshest of conditions and environments, but they also know the mind must be made to ignore the pleading of the body.

As their name suggests, SEALs are trained to conduct operations in any arena, and successful candidates spend 18 to 24 months in training before being assigned to teams. Every step is a challenge, and each test is progressively more difficult. On average, 70 percent of candidates never make it past Phase One.

For most, the greatest challenge lies in Week 4 of Phase One. A grueling 5.5 days, the continuous training ultimately determines who has the ability and mindset to endure.

?Welcome to Hell Week.?

Trainees are constantly in motion; constantly cold, hungry and wet. Mud is everywhere?it covers uniforms, hands and faces. Sand burns eyes and chafes raw skin. Medical personnel stand by for emergencies and then monitor the exhausted trainees. Sleep is fleeting?a mere three to four hours granted near the conclusion of the week. The trainees consume up to 7,000 calories a day and still lose weight.

The inner voice mimics the BUD/S instructor pacing the line of waterlogged men with his bullhorn. ?If you quit now you could go get a room at one of those luxury hotels down the beach and do nothing but sleep for an entire day!

Throughout Hell Week, BUD/S instructors continually remind candidates that they can ?Drop-On-Request? (DOR) any time they feel they can?t go on by simply ringing a shiny brass bell that hangs prominently within the camp for all to see.

?The belief that BUD/S is about physical strength is a common misconception. Actually, it?s 90 percent mental and 10 percent physical,? said a BUD/S instructor at the San Diego facility. ?(Students) just decide that they are too cold, too sandy, too sore or too wet to go on. It?s their minds that give up on them, not their bodies.?

?Whaddaya think? All you have to do is get up and go smack the hell out of that shiny, brass bell. You KNOW you want to. ??

It is not the physical trials of Hell Week that are difficult so much as its duration: a continual 132 hours of physical labor.

Through the long days and nights of Hell Week, candidates learn to rely on one another to keep awake and stay motivated. They tap one another on the shoulder or thigh periodically and wait for a reassuring pat in response that says, ?I?m still hangin? in there, how ?bout you?? They cheer loudly when they notice a mate struggling to complete his mission and use the same as fuel when they themselves feel drained. They learn to silence that inner voice urging them to give in and ring that hideous, beautiful bell.

Sleep. He would do anything for it. He couldn?t remember what day it was, or when he had last had sleep. But, he knew it felt good, and NOTHING about ?Hell Week? felt good. He had been cold and wet for days. There were open sores along his inner thigh now from being constantly soaked. And every time he moved, the coarse, wet camouflage raked over the wounds, sending lightening bolts of pain through his body. Maybe the voice was right. Maybe he should just get up, walk over, and ring that bell.

The body often lies to the mind, and being susceptible to muscular exclamations of pain and exhaustion, the mind begins to believe in its fragility and give up. It is a fierce fight that many candidates never win, but for those who go on to become Navy SEALs, learning to push the boundaries of their physical limitations is the foundation for all subsequent training and operations.

For those who make it through the infamous 132-hours of Hell Week comes the inner knowledge that their bodies can go far beyond their previous expectations.

The concept of mind over matter is reflected in an oft-chanted phrase during Hell Week: ?If you don?t mind, it don?t matter.?

Once Hell Week and Phase One of basic SEAL conditioning is finished, the candidates move on to new challenges, knowing they have it within themselves to stay the course.

But training is far from over. Before candidates earn the right to wear the coveted trident badges that identify them as members of the Naval Special Warfare community, they face training far beyond the fence lines of Naval Amphibious Base, Coronado, Calif.

Underwater in San Diego for scuba and ?drown-proofing;? in

 
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YOUGOTYOURASSKICKED       5/8/2008 3:13:58 AM
HELL WEEK.   this is a true test of mind over matter. this is the core of the SEALs.

Of all the battles a SEAL (Sea, Air, Land) must fight, none is more important than their first? the battle of mind over body.

The voice was back. That small, self-doubting messenger returned to pitch its familiar monologue, ?This is BS! Why are you putting yourself through this? You are never gonna make it all the way, so quit now and call it a day!?

Basic Underwater Demolitions and SEAL (BUD/S) instructors know the human machine is capable of amazing endurance even in the harshest of conditions and environments, but they also know the mind must be made to ignore the pleading of the body.

As their name suggests, SEALs are trained to conduct operations in any arena, and successful candidates spend 18 to 24 months in training before being assigned to teams. Every step is a challenge, and each test is progressively more difficult. On average, 70 percent of candidates never make it past Phase One.

For most, the greatest challenge lies in Week 4 of Phase One. A grueling 5.5 days, the continuous training ultimately determines who has the ability and mindset to endure.

?Welcome to Hell Week.?

Trainees are constantly in motion; constantly cold, hungry and wet. Mud is everywhere?it covers uniforms, hands and faces. Sand burns eyes and chafes raw skin. Medical personnel stand by for emergencies and then monitor the exhausted trainees. Sleep is fleeting?a mere three to four hours granted near the conclusion of the week. The trainees consume up to 7,000 calories a day and still lose weight.

The inner voice mimics the BUD/S instructor pacing the line of waterlogged men with his bullhorn. ?If you quit now you could go get a room at one of those luxury hotels down the beach and do nothing but sleep for an entire day!

Throughout Hell Week, BUD/S instructors continually remind candidates that they can ?Drop-On-Request? (DOR) any time they feel they can?t go on by simply ringing a shiny brass bell that hangs prominently within the camp for all to see.

?The belief that BUD/S is about physical strength is a common misconception. Actually, it?s 90 percent mental and 10 percent physical,? said a BUD/S instructor at the San Diego facility. ?(Students) just decide that they are too cold, too sandy, too sore or too wet to go on. It?s their minds that give up on them, not their bodies.?

?Whaddaya think? All you have to do is get up and go smack the hell out of that shiny, brass bell. You KNOW you want to. ??

It is not the physical trials of Hell Week that are difficult so much as its duration: a continual 132 hours of physical labor.

Through the long days and nights of Hell Week, candidates learn to rely on one another to keep awake and stay motivated. They tap one another on the shoulder or thigh periodically and wait for a reassuring pat in response that says, ?I?m still hangin? in there, how ?bout you?? They cheer loudly when they notice a mate struggling to complete his mission and use the same as fuel when they themselves feel drained. They learn to silence that inner voice urging them to give in and ring that hideous, beautiful bell.

Sleep. He would do anything for it. He couldn?t remember what day it was, or when he had last had sleep. But, he knew it felt good, and NOTHING about ?Hell Week? felt good. He had been cold and wet for days. There were open sores along his inner thigh now from being constantly soaked. And every time he moved, the coarse, wet camouflage raked over the wounds, sending lightening bolts of pain through his body. Maybe the voice was right. Maybe he should just get up, walk over, and ring that bell.

The body often lies to the mind, and being susceptible to muscular exclamations of pain and exhaustion, the mind begins to believe in its fragility and give up. It is a fierce fight that many candidates never win, but for those who go on to become Navy SEALs, learning to push the boundaries of their physical limitations is the foundation for all subsequent training and operations.

For those who make it through the infamous 132-hours of Hell Week comes the inner knowledge that their bodies can go far beyond their previous expectations.

The concept of mind over matter is reflected in an oft-chanted phrase during Hell Week: ?If you don?t mind, it don?t matter.?

Once Hell Week and Phase One of basic SEAL conditioning is finished, the candidates move on to new challenges, knowing they have it within themselves to stay the course.

But training is far from over. Before candidates earn the right to wear the coveted trident badges that identify them as members of the Naval Special Warfare community, they face training far beyond the fence lines of Naval Amphibious Base, Coronado, Calif.

Underwater in San Diego for scuba and ?drown-proofing;? in

 
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GOP       5/8/2008 3:53:14 PM

TRUE. its cool to meet someone who actually knows a bit about the Navy SEAls.

Im 14. i turn 15 in sept. its my dream to become a SEAL.

im going to college.(probably get a degree in physics.) then go to BUD/S.

are you thinking of joining the Military or any Special Forces?


No no, I've learned that honestly I know VERY LITTLE about SOF at all. After hanging out with some of these guys for a few days and talking to some online, I realized that my previous opinion about them was way off. They are pretty normal fellas honestly, at least on the surface it seems.
 
My advice is to prepare your body AND MIND right now. You should be in excellent shape if you stick to it by the time you are out of college. Do some workouts on very little to no sleep and very little food (except water)...do these about every 2 weeks or every month and these can sort of be your measuring stick regarding mental toughness.
 
Don't be afraid if your goals change as you become older. I've realized that I will most likely wanna settle down and have a family life, so my goals have changed. A family life isn't really conducive to SOF work, as you will be gone 7-8 months OR MORE out of the year at least. Sometimes 2 years straight. If you do wanna family life, pick your mate carefully...most women aren't gonna be strong enough for that.
 
Don't go into this because it is 'cool'. You'll fail. There are plenty of ways to be a warrior, I know civilians who have the warrior mindset. There are plenty of excellent civilian courses/gym's/whatever that teach EXCELLENT material regarding shooting, FoF, H2H, wilderness survival, combat medicine, driving, and other 'cool guy' stuff like Diving/Sky diving/etc. Some of it is better than what you will get in the military/police...some of it ALOT better from what I have been told (however, please note that at SOF levels it's different). 
 
I just see way too many young people like me wanting to get into this because it is 'bad ass', but you can be a BA and be civilian (or leo, or EMT, or FF, or Military). The difference is, do you wanna be a badass who has to go through some very tough and demanding stuff? Can you honestly handle it?
 
Do I wanna be in SOF? Well honestly, I love weapons/shooting/training/etc, and the dudes in SOF are pretty cool. But, I also want a family. So I wouldn't be able to go into it 110% like I should be able to, so it most likely would result in failure. I wanna go to college, then most likely becoming a police officer.
 
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