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Subject: NAVY SEALS VS BRITISH SAS
LJ813    7/1/2005 9:34:17 PM
I WILL GO FOR THE NAVY..
 
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bob the brit       12/17/2007 8:24:22 PM
what's with the double post? people re going to think i've gone mad and like to repost my previous comments 25 minutes later. guess SP is just reinforcing my meagre poit by putting it up twice
 
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gf0012-aust       12/17/2007 8:31:46 PM

what's with the double post? people re going to think i've gone mad and like to repost my previous comments 25 minutes later. guess SP is just reinforcing my meagre poit by putting it up twice



don't hit refresh after you post.  you need to bail out and come back in to check for updates.
 
 
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bob the brit       12/17/2007 9:23:45 PM




what's with the double post? people re going to think i've gone mad and like to repost my previous comments 25 minutes later. guess SP is just reinforcing my meagre poit by putting it up twice





don't hit refresh after you post.  you need to bail out and come back in to check for updates.

 


gotcha, cheers gf
 
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GOP       12/17/2007 11:56:51 PM










 You don't know what the hell you are talking about and need to shut your damn mouth. There is NO comparison between SEALS and girl scouts (oops, I mean SAS). SEALS are more physically fit, deadlier, better trained and mentally stronger then any special forces unit in the world. My brother was a SEAL (Team 3, Class 145), and you wouldn't believe the stories I've heard. One Navy SEAL would beat the living shit out of any SAS. You can't get any better then the SEALS. You would have to literally be Superman. No SAS member would even make it through Hell week. America is the greatest military super-power in the world, and our special forces (SEALS) are the best in the world.











just to make things interesting how bout a 200 km route march with a 50 kg bergen across some nice scenic mtns and jungle before the fight breaks out.  give them a nice easy pace of say 36 hours for the march.





Haha, isn't that called "Test week" or something similar during SAS selection? That sounds killer. Hell week is extremely tough, but obviously that is extremely tough too. They are different. but equally demanding I would say.



Funny line quoted from Theo "The SEALs beat the Marines, and the Marines are better than the SAS so...". WTF? Who is this dumbass?




the fan dance and other picnics in the brecons are no cup of tea, yet as you pointed out, hell week is tough in its own right, i doubt i could pass it as a young up and start looking for a good time, water is not my strength. while they are different [obviously], i wouldn't say they are equally demanding as they demand very different things from a person, however, GOP, i understand what you were trying to get across.


Yeah, I was just trying to point out that they are both extremely tough and both present extreme challenges to the individuals who undergo the selection process. It's impossible to rate selection courses, as most people haven't been through more than 2.
And sorry for you having to deal with such a dumbass Bob.
 
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bob the brit       12/18/2007 10:43:10 AM















 You don't know what the hell you are talking about and need to shut your damn mouth. There is NO comparison between SEALS and girl scouts (oops, I mean SAS). SEALS are more physically fit, deadlier, better trained and mentally stronger then any special forces unit in the world. My brother was a SEAL (Team 3, Class 145), and you wouldn't believe the stories I've heard. One Navy SEAL would beat the living shit out of any SAS. You can't get any better then the SEALS. You would have to literally be Superman. No SAS member would even make it through Hell week. America is the greatest military super-power in the world, and our special forces (SEALS) are the best in the world.














just to make things interesting how bout a 200 km route march with a 50 kg bergen across some nice scenic mtns and jungle before the fight breaks out.  give them a nice easy pace of say 36 hours for the march.







Haha, isn't that called "Test week" or something similar during SAS selection? That sounds killer. Hell week is extremely tough, but obviously that is extremely tough too. They are different. but equally demanding I would say.





Funny line quoted from Theo "The SEALs beat the Marines, and the Marines are better than the SAS so...". WTF? Who is this dumbass?






the fan dance and other picnics in the brecons are no cup of tea, yet as you pointed out, hell week is tough in its own right, i doubt i could pass it as a young up and start looking for a good time, water is not my strength. while they are different [obviously], i wouldn't say they are equally demanding as they demand very different things from a person, however, GOP, i understand what you were trying to get across.



Yeah, I was just trying to point out that they are both extremely tough and both present extreme challenges to the individuals who undergo the selection process. It's impossible to rate selection courses, as most people haven't been through more than 2.

And sorry for you having to deal with such a dumbass Bob.


I can't say i've tried a variety [I've not tried anything else]. And in fact all these sporadic outbursts of 'brother-was-a-SEAL-itis' are quite fun, they're too typical to be taken seriously, and it's always interesting to find the latest info that some muppet just searched for on the internet or gleened from their copy of 'special forces encyclopaedia' [I've seen the books, I know the nonsense that's in them]. I think for fun, I'll back up the next nutter that pulls the 'couisin is ex-SF and told me everything'... I'll play along as if they couldn't be righter than rain then we catch 'em.
 
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historynut       12/18/2007 10:52:10 AM
This sounds like asking if the guy flying the jet is better then the guy flying the helicopter. There trained different ways to do different things. The guy in the jet is never going to land in a hot LZ to pick someone up. The guy in the copter is never going to go air-to-air with other fighters.
If there not trained and equiped the same way you can't compare them
 
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bob the brit    bob's coming out   12/19/2007 12:50:20 AM

 

Some idiot from the UK tried to tell me that SEALS don't take men over six feet tall because, as he alleged, taller men are slower.. I pointed out they take anyone who meets their requirements and passes their tests --whether 4 feet or 8 feet. I also pointed out my brother is 6'3'' tall and he was in the top three in running and swimming out of a platoon of about 50 guys. I also wrote a SEAL and told him what that UK idiot said. He responded:

 

"if your brother was a SEAL then he should be able to convince this
fellow that SEALs are indeed the cream of the crop. As for height, I am
6'5" tall so there goes the height question. The SAS is indeed a great
group of guys doing a fantastic job wherever they go. Are they better
than SEALs? No. We both have our strengths, I just feel we are a bit
more rounded. Hope this helps"


R/
SO1 (SEAL) [deleted by Sysops]

as for that little quote, [and please, to all others, i'm not suddenly boasting, just applying my opinion], I would not say the SEALs are more rounded than the regiment. It was not there job to be. The regiment had a few more job titles than the SEALs, now I'm not saying this is better [if anything it gave SEALs better chance to focus on their area of expertise], but you would find more checks on an errands checklist of the regiment than you would the SEALs. After saying this though, Mr. [deleted by SysOps]'s opinion is no greater or lesser than mine, 'nuff said.
theo, why don't you write to santa aswell and see what he says?
 
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gf0012-aust       12/19/2007 1:18:09 AM

After saying this though, Mr. deleted by SysOps]'s opinion is no greater or lesser than mine, 'nuff said.


I've asked for confirmation on Mr [deleted by Sysops].

I'm more interested in Theos brother.

First name (or nickname), currency (or a year when active) and where he was located for that year will do fine.......


 
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dirtykraut       12/19/2007 1:49:27 AM
Theo, I'll give you the reason why people like you have a SEAL fettish. Back in the early 90's, the cold war had just ended, and the military was beginning it's transformation from a cold war army to global military capable of projecting power anywhere on the planet.  To do this, they needed less army personell and more Navy personell. However, the Navy had difficulty recruiting the numbers they needed. This was because Army, Marine, and Air Force ads were interesting, and could catch the viewers attention. In the army you could drive a tank, in the Air Force you could fly a plane, and in the Marine Corps you could be part of something greater than yourself, or so the ads portrayed them. The Navy really didn't have much to show/offer, and the most accurate Navy recruiting commercial back then would have been of sailors drinking coffee, chipping paint, and working in confined spaces for 6 months at a time. So the Navy decided to put SEALs in these ads. And what do you know, it worked. SEAL publicicity continued to skyrocket after that, and the SEAL mythology was created. It's not unlike how the SAS mythos was created after the 1980 Iranian embassy siege.
 
Having said that, both are excellent units. Comparisons between the two units have to be taken in the right context. It has been mentioned, that they are both different units with different tasks. A more apt comparison would be that of the SBS and SEALs. You also have to remember that as queer as it sounds, the SAS is a tier one unit and the SEALs are not. It is a more experienced unit (due to the experience of the individual operators, not how long the two units have been around). It is also a more selective unit. Soldiers who attend SAS selection have years of experience, and were chosen to go to selection because of their stellar performance in their previous regiments. Whereas 90% of SEAL recruits come from SEAL challenge contracts or volunteers in basic or A school. In otherwords, brand new sailors with NO experience, however fit they may be. The SEALS are also 10 times larger than the SAS. The SAS is also a better funded unit. The SAS I believe is anywhere from 200-400 soldiers (correct me if I'm wrong Bob), and one of the reasons for the unit's excellence is that MoD spends well over 400 million dollars on the unit, the most expensive regiment in the British army. SEALs, however, are the red headed stepchildren of SOCOM, and probably recieve less funding than their peers in SOCOM and JSOC because of it.  Not all SOF's are created equal, and these things must be taken into account when a comparison is made.
 
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mough       12/19/2007 11:38:02 AM
I'm still trying to figure ot how his "brother" could get into so many fight's and not be tagged for personality issues or maybe even behavioural and emotional one's then recieve the order of the boot, guys like that don't last too long in operational unit's, regular ones, never mind SOF's, too unpredictable, temperamental, if he loses the head in the civie World, what happenes under stress and in combat?, that whole lone wolf/Rambo bullshit is best left for the movies.....don't see it myself
 
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