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LJ813    7/1/2005 9:34:17 PM
I WILL GO FOR THE NAVY..
 
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GOP       7/24/2007 7:43:56 PM

.I dont understand why American forces are always shooting British troops why is this?maybe this point should be made into a thread?
American forces shoot at bad guys, or people they percieve as threats. Maybe if the British forces would identify themselves better then they would not get shot. It boils down to communication, or lack thereof.

 
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reall brit patriot    sas   7/24/2007 8:01:04 PM
where ever you are from you would agree that the British army is far more disciplined and far more succsessful than any other army in the world.lynestyne where are you from?The way i see it Americans much too proud of them selves they need to get over them selves a bit,they wouldnt be where they are today if it wasnt for Britian they should be allot more greatful instead of sshooting us in the back every 5 minutes or less.Also why do the Americans always take control in a coaliton led war?For example world war two we fight the Germans for 3 years before America decides to join at which point they take control of all the coalition forces in the war (Australia,Britian,France,Canada) why is this why do they have the right they are not superior to us.Another example is the 1st gulf ar of 1991 which they completley controlled maybe its because we are 'Unreliliable' but if anyone is unreliable then it is the Americans they have more wars than Britain for instance the vietnam war.The only thing you might even considder a conflict that britain has lost then one may say the American war of independance but it was a civil war fought overseas kin vs kin.This is so very frustrating.i
Its so very clear that the US  only fights so many wars in the middle east so they can go there for oil funds and America is far too greedy and Britain only looks week because of America and thier goverments tonly blair is an as licker and coward to America i mean what the hell would America have done if Britian said no to iraq?nuke us?i dont think so tony blair is a coward and a traitor in my eyes he had only done bad things for Britian.Lets all hope for Britains sake that Gordon Brown will stand up to America in the future and not stand down so easily.Britain needs a strong priminister a real leader.lynestyne i would appreciate to hear your views.
 
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Lynstyne       7/24/2007 8:40:23 PM
 In order you asked them

where ever you are from you would agree that the British army is far more disciplined and far more succsessful than any other army in the world. I would agree that they are one of the most disciplined  etc.
Arguably in the recent past we have had the best trained individuals, owing to an all volunteer force a good retention rate and at least some level of active sercice on a regular basis. The US has in all probability caught up given their improved retention rates all volunteer force and the amount of action they seem determined to take.  Ironically the severe overstretch could wall drop us down the training stakes as retaention of experienced personel becomes more difficult.
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lynestyne where are you from? Im british

The way i see it Americans much too proud of them selves they need to get over them selves a bit, Some can be a tad overbearing and arrogent but then you come from a nation that believes that regardless of what country you are in they are the foreigner.

they wouldnt be where they are today if it wasnt for Britian  possibly an element of truth to that but like wise we may not be here or could be a very different here without  the US

they should be allot more greatful instead of sshooting us in the back every 5 minutes or less. See my previous post US originated freindly fire is exagerated. (admittadly i do feel they are abit more predisposed to shoting at allies than other nations - but comms failures, vehicle recognition training, procedural differences and even language nuances are more likely to blame than american gung honess.
(On the language front an anecdotal legend from Korea is that the glosters were asked by the americans about the current situation to which the british officer replied its a bit sticky - a euphamism for were in the shit,  the american understood this to mean no real problems. true or not its a good story to illustrate a language barrier)

Also why do the Americans always take control in a coaliton led war? because 90% of the force is theirs, they own the trainset they make the rules.

For example world war two we fight the Germans for 3 years before America decides to join at which point they take control of all the coalition forces in the war (Australia,Britian,France,Canada) why is this why do they have the right they are not superior to us. see above

Another example is the 1st gulf ar of 1991 which they completley controlled  again see above

Its so very clear that the US  only fights so many wars in the middle east so they can go there for oil funds ( left wing teacher have you perchance )
and America is far too greedy and Britain only looks weak because of America and thier goverments

securing oil supplies may be a motive but its not the only one. unfortunatly our media likes to leap on one sound bite head line that requires no thought.

eg gas guzzling 4x4 tax  instant head line instant focus no thought (a lot of saloons got hit by this and a lot of 4x4s didnt) should have been gas guzzler tax or as our ford mondeo got hit by it the none eco box tax. so Bushs oil war  is a catchy sound bite.


tonly blair is an ass licker (no argument) and coward ( not sure now if you had said an egotistical megolomaniac with delusions of granduer )

what the hell would America have done if Britian said no to iraq. Gone it alone we werent needed militarily but politicaly if we went it was a coalition effort.

tony blair is a coward and a traitor in my eyes he had only done bad things for Britian. oh yes any body whos answer to an understrength army suffering from overstretch is to make it smaller so it now has enough people deserves shooting in my book. same goes for just in time supply on aproduction line great for an army no.


Lets all hope for Britains sake that Gordon Brown will stand up to America in the future and not stand down so easily.
Brown i fear is worse he has all the fiscall responsibility of the wife and mother in law with a gold credit card.

Britain needs a strong priminister a real leader.  Oh yeah i pray for a new Maggie

lynestyne i would appreciate to hear your views. you have them
 
 
 
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Lynstyne       7/24/2007 8:46:36 PM
In order you asked them

where ever you are from you would agree that the British army is far more disciplined and far more succsessful than any other army in the world. I would agree that they are one of the most disciplined  etc.
Arguably in the recent past we have had the best trained individuals, owing to an all volunteer force a good retention rate and at least some level of active sercice on a regular basis. The US has in all probability caught up given their improved retention rates all volunteer force and the amount of action they seem determined to take.  Ironically the severe overstretch could well drop us down the training stakes as retaention of experienced personel becomes more difficult.


lynestyne where are you from? Im british

The way i see it Americans much too proud of them selves they need to get over them selves a bit, Some can be a tad overbearing and arrogent but then you come from a nation that believes that regardless of what country you are in they are the foreigner.

they wouldnt be where they are today if it wasnt for Britian 
possibly an element of truth to that but like wise we may not be here or could be a very different here without  the US

they should be allot more greatful instead of sshooting us in the back every 5 minutes or less. See my previous post US originated freindly fire is exagerated. (admittadly i do feel they are abit more predisposed to shoting at allies than other nations - but comms failures, vehicle recognition training, procedural differences and even language nuances are more likely to blame than american gung honess.
On the language front an anecdotal legend from Korea is that the glosters were asked by the americans about the current situation to which the british officer replied its a bit sticky - a euphamism for were in the shit,  the american understood this to mean no real problems. true or not its a good story to illustrate a language barrier.

Also why do the Americans always take control in a coaliton led war?
because 90% of the force is theirs, they own the trainset they make the rules.

For example world war two we fight the Germans for 3 years before America decides to join at which point they take control of all the coalition forces in the war (Australia,Britian,France,Canada) why is this why do they have the right they are not superior to us. see above

Another example is the 1st gulf ar of 1991 which they completley controlled  again see above

Its so very clear that the US  only fights so many wars in the middle east so they can go there for oil funds ( left wing teacher have you perchance )
and America is far too greedy and Britain only looks weak because of America and thier goverments
Securing oil supplies may be a motive but its not the only one. unfortunatly our media likes to leap on one sound bite head line that requires no thought.
eg gas guzzling 4x4 tax  instant head line instant focus no thought (a lot of saloons got hit by this and a lot of 4x4s didnt) should have been gas guzzler tax or as our ford mondeo got hit by it the none eco box tax. so Bushs oil war  is a catchy sound bite.

tonly blair is an ass licker (no argument) and coward ( not sure now if you had said an egotistical megolomaniac with delusions of granduer )

what the hell would America have done if Britian said no to iraq. Gone it alone we werent needed militarily but politicaly if we went it was a coalition effort.

tony blair is a coward and a traitor in my eyes he had only done bad things for Britian. oh yes anybody whos answer to an understrength army suffering from overstretch is to make it smaller so it now has enough people deserves shooting in my book. same goes for just in time supply on aproduction line great for an army no.


Lets all hope for Britains sake that Gordon Brown will stand up to America in the future and not stand down so easily.
Brown i fear is worse he has all the fiscall responsibility of the wife and mother in law with a gold credit card.

Britain needs a strong priminister a real leader.  Oh yeah i pray for a new Maggie

lynestyne i would appreciate to hear your views. you have them.
 
 
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GOP       7/24/2007 8:56:07 PM

where ever you are from you would agree that the British army is far more disciplined and far more succsessful than any other army in the world.lynestyne where are you from?The way i see it Americans much too proud of them selves they need to get over them selves a bit,they wouldnt be where they are today if it wasnt for Britian they should be allot more greatful instead of sshooting us in the back every 5 minutes or less.Also why do the Americans always take control in a coaliton led war?For example world war two we fight the Germans for 3 years before America decides to join at which point they take control of all the coalition forces in the war (Australia,Britian,France,Canada) why is this why do they have the right they are not superior to us.Another example is the 1st gulf ar of 1991 which they completley controlled maybe its because we are 'Unreliliable' but if anyone is unreliable then it is the Americans they have more wars than Britain for instance the vietnam war.The only thing you might even considder a conflict that britain has lost then one may say the American war of independance but it was a civil war fought overseas kin vs kin.This is so very frustrating.i

Its so very clear that the US  only fights so many wars in the middle east so they can go there for oil funds and America is far too greedy and Britain only looks week because of America and thier goverments tonly blair is an as licker and coward to America i mean what the hell would America have done if Britian said no to iraq?nuke us?i dont think so tony blair is a coward and a traitor in my eyes he had only done bad things for Britian.Lets all hope for Britains sake that Gordon Brown will stand up to America in the future and not stand down so easily.Britain needs a strong priminister a real leader.lynestyne i would appreciate to hear your views.


I hate uneducated kids like you. "The British Army is far more disciplined...blah blah blah"...get over yourself. Until you have worked with the American Army and the other militaries in the world (heck, even the British army), then you should hold your uneducated opinion to yourself.
Regarding why the US took over the Allies in WW2, we didn't exactly take over the allied coalition. We simply had the most resources, the most troops, and honestly the most power and thus we naturally took a leadership position. Same deal with Gulf War 1, we had the majority of troops, equipment, etc and we lead the charge.
 
The US is in Iraq for oil? Then why the fuck is gas at $2.85 right now and where is the Iraqi oil going? It is going to rebuilding Iraq and building a democracy. You are WAAY out of your league here man.
 
What would we have done if Britain had said no to Iraq? We would have said "Big fucking deal" and went ahead with our plans anyway. You have too high of a opinion regarding your countries role in Iraq. You guys have 8,000 troops in Iraq. We have 130,000.
 
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Lynstyne    gop   7/24/2007 9:20:40 PM
Hopefully his time here will encorage the young man to think and question his preconceptions.   Incedently (and simply because realls posting was in a similar vein)what happened to james baf, was he barred or did he just vanish, regretably adam b is still around spouting drivel and embarrising himself and others.
 
 
 
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reall brit patriot    LOAD OF BALLS.   7/25/2007 1:44:13 PM
 KNOW ALLOT MORE THAN YOU THINK ABOUT WARFARE MY FATHER WAS IN IRAQ FOR 4 YEARS BEFORE BEING KILLED WHICH MADE ME MORE INTERESTED IN THE ARMED FORCES AND I SERIUOUSLY WOULNDT BELEIVE YOU IF YOU SAIDYOU HAVE BEEN IN THE ARMED FORCES.
 
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reall brit patriot    LOAD OF BALLS.   7/25/2007 1:46:25 PM
 KNOW ALLOT MORE THAN YOU THINK ABOUT WARFARE MY FATHER WAS IN IRAQ FOR 4 YEARS BEFORE BEING KILLED WHICH MADE ME MORE INTERESTED IN THE ARMED FORCES AND I SERIOUSLY WOULNDT BELEIVE YOU IF YOU SAIDYOU HAVE BEEN IN THE ARMED FORCES.
 
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mough       7/25/2007 2:18:42 PM
So know the story is your Dad was killed and your pissed, sorry lad, if you had been honest (although I'm doubtful still) you would have recieved a level of understanding and attention, but you lied, and thats all I can see you for now, so good bye
 
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gf0012-aust       7/25/2007 10:10:34 PM

 KNOW ALLOT MORE THAN YOU THINK ABOUT WARFARE MY FATHER WAS IN IRAQ FOR 4 YEARS BEFORE BEING KILLED WHICH MADE ME MORE INTERESTED IN THE ARMED FORCES AND I SERIOUSLY WOULNDT BELEIVE YOU IF YOU SAIDYOU HAVE BEEN IN THE ARMED FORCES.


yelling doesn't make you any more credible.
the reality is that you were spotted as bullschitting long ago by people who are in a position to know.  so when you demonstrate a willingness to bullschitt then you're labeled automatically.  when you criticise people who are in a clear position to know what they're on about, then you sign your own warrant.
 
if your father copped it then I feel sorry for you, but like mough, I have a doubt as you've already got form.

 
 
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