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Subject: Life in a SOF team
GOP    3/6/2006 1:11:31 AM
What is life really like in a SOF unit? From what I have read, it is hard training during the day, followed by the unit hitting the bars, in which they get drunk and loud...then they usually get agressive and beat up a few Marines (or regular Army)...then they get laid (by a different women every night)...then they restart
 
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colts       2/28/2007 10:09:59 PM
I just google.ed Generation to kill, looks good, I am going to have to get that one as well when Im finished with the books Ive started already.
 
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GOP       2/28/2007 10:31:40 PM





Yeah, I've heard about on combat aswell...I may order that after I read On Killing.



Is Grossman the USMC's "Killology" guy (I believe the "Killology" guy is former CIA SOF who served in 'Nam and Cambodia).



Grossman is a retired army officer with a combat arms background, though I think his actual combat background is minimal (don't think he's a Vietnam vet, for instance).  He's also the guy who came up with the idea of "killology" (good idea, silly name, in my opinion).  Unless the USMC has someone who's worked with Grossman and/or copied his ideas on the payroll, etc., Grossman would be the killology guy referenced.



Yeah, I googled it and you are correct. I was watching a show on Military Channel (I believe "From citizen to soldier" or something), and they interviewed a guy who was describing what Killology is, and he was former CIA SOF.
 
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Yimmy       2/28/2007 11:20:14 PM
Out of curiosity, given the mention of these books, why should a soldier care about the psychology behind killing?
 
 
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colts       3/1/2007 11:48:58 AM

Out of curiosity, given the mention of these books, why should a soldier care about the psychology behind killing?

 


Yimmy,
Personaly I like to know what I am getting myself into, being prepared is important in life.  Know the psychology of killing I think would help alot in someone not aquiring PTSD, or getting over it.  Knowing the reasons behind why people kill would most certainly help them.  As Viktor Frankl said if you have a why you can get through almost any how.  
It is also very important for young men as myself and GOP to know what we are getting our selves into.  For some, the reading and understanding of this might save their lives.  Lets say that someone really thinks that they want to be in the Marine Corps, or Army infantry, after reading and understaning what really happens in War, death and Killing might come to the realization that they under no circumstances would be able to handle killing, dying, War, and if they had not known this he might have made it through training, been put in combat and put men capable of dealing with these terrors and preforming bravely at unneccesary risk, killing them when their deaths could have been prevented.
 
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Horsesoldier       3/6/2007 8:36:58 PM


Yeah, I googled it and you are correct. I was watching a show on Military Channel (I believe "From citizen to soldier" or something), and they interviewed a guy who was describing what Killology is, and he was former CIA SOF.

This thread jogged my memory about On Combat, and I recently borrowed a copy from a friend of mine.  Haven't finished reading it yet, but I have to say that for guys like GOP and Colts -- if you only have time or money to read either On Killing or On Combat . . . save On Killing for some future date.  On Killing is an excellent, but theoretical and "big picture," sort of book (and one you should read, definitely).  On Combat is a very detailed look at the physiological and psychological that the individual soldier, cop, operator, whoever can and will experience under the stress of violent and deadly force encounters.  Lots of directly quoted accounts from various shooters (mostly law enforcement) about what they experienced during and after violent encounters, lots of very current science on the physical and mental sides of things as well.

 
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BadNews       3/6/2007 10:39:30 PM




Yeah, I googled it and you are correct. I was watching a show on Military Channel (I believe "From citizen to soldier" or something), and they interviewed a guy who was describing what Killology is, and he was former CIA SOF.


This thread jogged my memory about On Combat, and I recently borrowed a copy from a friend of mine.  Haven't finished reading it yet, but I have to say that for guys like GOP and Colts -- if you only have time or money to read either On Killing or On Combat . . . save On Killing for some future date.  On Killing is an excellent, but theoretical and "big picture," sort of book (and one you should read, definitely).  On Combat is a very detailed look at the physiological and psychological that the individual soldier, cop, operator, whoever can and will experience under the stress of violent and deadly force encounters.  Lots of directly quoted accounts from various shooters (mostly law enforcement) about what they experienced during and after violent encounters, lots of very current science on the physical and mental sides of things as well.



GOP and Colts, I will second that, the detail is remarkable
 
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colts       3/7/2007 1:13:40 PM







Yeah, I googled it and you are correct. I was watching a show on Military Channel (I believe "From citizen to soldier" or something), and they interviewed a guy who was describing what Killology is, and he was former CIA SOF.



This thread jogged my memory about On Combat, and I recently borrowed a copy from a friend of mine.  Haven't finished reading it yet, but I have to say that for guys like GOP and Colts -- if you only have time or money to read either On Killing or On Combat . . . save On Killing for some future date.  On Killing is an excellent, but theoretical and "big picture," sort of book (and one you should read, definitely).  On Combat is a very detailed look at the physiological and psychological that the individual soldier, cop, operator, whoever can and will experience under the stress of violent and deadly force encounters.  Lots of directly quoted accounts from various shooters (mostly law enforcement) about what they experienced during and after violent encounters, lots of very current science on the physical and mental sides of things as well.




GOP and Colts, I will second that, the detail is remarkable


Thanks ya'll.  I loved On Killing, really made me think.  I am going to have to buy On Combat right away.
Have you guys heard of "The Savage Wars of Peace"  by Max Boot?

 
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Horsesoldier       3/7/2007 8:40:01 PM
Thanks ya'll.  I loved On Killing, really made me think.  I am going to have to buy On Combat right away.
Have you guys heard of "The Savage Wars of Peace"  by Max Boot?



Savage Wars of Peace is a pretty good read, though strictly dry history, not a lot of first person detail or anything.  It will read you in on a lot of military action by the US military that tend to get glossed over or forgotten in most high school and even college history classes.  Lots of little armed landings by sailors and marines, stuff about the Philipines, the USMC in Central America and the Caribbean, etc.

 
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GOP       3/7/2007 11:19:13 PM




Yeah, I googled it and you are correct. I was watching a show on Military Channel (I believe "From citizen to soldier" or something), and they interviewed a guy who was describing what Killology is, and he was former CIA SOF.


This thread jogged my memory about On Combat, and I recently borrowed a copy from a friend of mine.  Haven't finished reading it yet, but I have to say that for guys like GOP and Colts -- if you only have time or money to read either On Killing or On Combat . . . save On Killing for some future date.  On Killing is an excellent, but theoretical and "big picture," sort of book (and one you should read, definitely).  On Combat is a very detailed look at the physiological and psychological that the individual soldier, cop, operator, whoever can and will experience under the stress of violent and deadly force encounters.  Lots of directly quoted accounts from various shooters (mostly law enforcement) about what they experienced during and after violent encounters, lots of very current science on the physical and mental sides of things as well.



Thanks for the advice man, I'm going to get On Combat per your advice.
Horse, are you on SOCNET?
 
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