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Subject: Taliban enemy must be destroyed: ex-general
Volkodav    9/18/2010 12:24:16 AM
Mark Dodd From: The Australian September 18, 2010 12:00AM A GUN battle last month between a joint Australian-Afghan patrol fighting Taliban ended in a tactical withdrawal by the Australians. The three-hour stoush on August 24 in a river valley near Deh Rawood in western Oruzgan cost the life of Lance Corporal Jared McKinney, a soldier from Brisbane-based 6th Battalion serving with the Mentoring and Reconstruction Taskforce. Military experts say details of the hard-fought contact leave more questions than answers, the most worrying being the decision not to annihilate the Taliban attackers. Former Iraq war commander Jim Molan, a respected commentator on counter-insurgency, says aspects of the firefight are cause for serious concern. In an opinion piece in today's The Weekend Australian, the retired major general calls for the use of more aggressive tactics to prosecute the war -- tactics he says will save lives in the long term and force the Taliban to negotiate. "Combat commanders must be under no illusion that when they make contact with an enemy force . . . they must do their utmost to destroy that force," General Molan says. "Our troops found themselves facing (some say) up to 100 Taliban. This is one of the few times when we actually know exactly where our armed enemy is, and we must always capitalise on it. "In this battle, the few Australian soldiers accompanying the Afghans once again fought brilliantly and, along with supporting fire, may have killed up to a third of this force. "As the Australians withdrew, the other two thirds of the enemy went somewhere, certainly with the capacity to kill more Australian and Afghan soldiers . . . and still able to intimidate the population." Defence imagery of the battle released last night shows Australian and Afghan soldiers crouching as they advance past mud-walled compounds amid the sound of a heavy gunfire. Its understood at least one Excalibur round of precision-guided munitions was fired from a US 155mm gun battery to help break up the Taliban attack. General Molan called for the immediate deployment of Abrams tanks and Tiger attack helicopters to support Australian troops in central Afghanistan. Chief of the Defence Force, Air Chief Marshal Angus Houston, has defended current counter-insurgency tactics but warned of an upsurge in violence as Australian mentors accompany newly trained Afghan troops into areas previously held by the Taliban
 
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Volkodav       9/18/2010 1:01:19 AM
Better backup will save soldiers' lives

From: The Australian

September 18, 2010 12:00AM

OUR troops need tank and aircraft support to stay safe and win in Oruzgan.

CHIEF of the Defence Force Angus Houston has told Australians that our soldiers in Oruzgan province in Afghanistan are pushing out into areas where there is increased risk, violence is likely to increase and there is hard fighting to come.

Despite the risk, this is good and about time. Fewer lives will be lost in the long run if we are more aggressive than if we are less aggressive. This also matches the overall aggressive phase of the campaign as the US troop surge reaches full strength and David Petraeus's operational plan is put into being.

A more aggressive stance reflects where the Afghans probably are in their training. They appear to be well past training in secure barracks and are at the stage where they train a bit, go out and fight a bit, then are brought back in for training by their Australian mentors. In Iraq we called this the train, fight, train cycle and it was the most important part of their training. It produces experience, confidence and, above all, combat leaders. An increasingly aggressive attitude is also in accordance with Barack Obama's war strategy of "disrupt, dismantle, destroy and defeat".

But if we are taking a more aggressive approach to our part of the war in Afghanistan, then Australia needs to ensure that we have provided our troops with everything they need. This is not just a tactical issue for the military; it has strategic implications and is the business of government. The strategic question that needs to be addressed is whether the government is protecting our troops and allowing them to be effective. This is core business for the new Defence Minister.

Combat commanders must be under no illusion that when they make contact with an enemy force, as they did on August 24 when Lance Corporal Jared MacKinney was killed by enemy fire, that they must do their utmost to destroy that force. Our troops found themselves facing (some say) up to 100 Taliban. This is one of the few times when we know exactly where our armed enemy is and we must always capitalise on it. In this battle, the few Australian soldiers accompanying the Afghans once again fought brilliantly and, along with supporting fire, may have killed up to one-third of this force. As the Australians withdrew, the other two-thirds of the enemy went somewhere, certainly with the capacity to kill more Australian and Afghan soldiers if we run into them again next week, and still able to intimidate the population.

It would appear that the patrol that fought so well on August 24 was a partnered patrol, which meant it was mainly Afghans but accompanied not just by the few brave Australian trainers embedded in the Afghan National Army unit but also by an Australian force whose job it was to ensure the Afghans did not get into trouble they could not handle. The government must ensure that the Australian forces that partner Afghan units in this more aggressive phase are sizeable. Experience from Iraq indicates that they should be at least one-third the size of the Afghan force, a full Australian platoon of about 30 men accompanying an Afghan company of about 100.

Any patrol that is going into these riskier areas must have adequate artillery, mortars, jets and attack helicopters on immediate call, not just to enable us to break contact and safely withdraw, as seemed to be the case on August 24, but with the ability to destroy an enemy force so we do not have to fight them again. The ability of soldiers to be supported by their own artillery and mortars within a few minutes saves lives and, more important, defeats the enemy, thus saving even more lives. Because of their reliability and accuracy, our forces must have their own artillery and mortars guaranteed, available for immediate use, and permitted to contribute to the destruction of the enemy.

And there are other details that the new minister should check.

Any patrol that is going into these areas once controlled by the Dutch must also be supported by our reconnaissance forces on the ground and in the air, so our troops and the Afghans know wh

 
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Aussiegunneragain       9/18/2010 8:51:56 AM

I concur with Molan, if we are going to find 100 Taliban we may as well kill as many of them as we can. Since what he is asking for is supporting arms like tanks, it isn't going to increase the risk of casualties, it will reduce them. Remember Bien Hoa, we used tanks and knocked off 100 enemy for 1 Austalian casualty. It's really a no brainer.

 
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Volkodav       9/18/2010 10:33:38 AM

I concur with Molan, if we are going to find 100 Taliban we may as well kill as many of them as we can. Since what he is asking for is supporting arms like tanks, it isn't going to increase the risk of casualties, it will reduce them. Remember Bien Hoa, we used tanks and knocked off 100 enemy for 1 Australian casualty. It's really a no brainer.



In agreement on this one AG and I would add Long Tan as an example as well.

Delta Coy 6 RARs performance, holding on until help arrived, was exceptional but it was the RAAF helo dropping supplies, the drop shorts and mortars churning earth and bodies and the buckets swimming the river and charging in 50 Cals blazing that saved the day.
 
The thing most people don't realise is that the ADF has always been at its best in combined arms operations.  Even the Light Horse made the best use they could of tanks, armoured cars, artillery and aircraft (including believe it or not a Handley Page heavy bomber) in the their campaign that dismantled the Ottoman Empire.
 
Mentoring and reconstruction is great and we should be doing it but these guys should be supported by big guns, fast movers and a hard hitting (heavy) ready reaction force.  The Afghans respect strength and when they see us chasing down, killing / capturing the Taliban every time they come out to fight, instead of withdrawing and calling in indiscriminate air strikes, we will win their hearts and minds.
 
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Panther       9/18/2010 4:15:22 PM
Saving soldiers and allied lives sounds good to me. Though i don't think Julian Assange would be to happy about that. BTW... what has that little zit been up to?
 
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