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Subject: Wikileaks and Julian Assange: The moral dilemma
smitty237    8/3/2010 1:52:09 AM
Wikileaks is a Swedish-based web site that has become a sort of a clearing house for sensitive documents. Their latest venture has been to release sensitive U.S. military documents related to military operations and intelligence in Iraq and Afghanistan. Wikileaks was largely responsible for releasing the video showing a U.S. Army Apache gunship attack on a group of Iraqi men in which two Reuters cameramen were killed. Wikileaks appears to be run by a rather nomadic Australian named Julian Assange. He denies being the founder of the site, but admits to be Wikileaks' "editor in chief". Assange is viewed as a sort of celebrity in international anti-censorship circles and has appeared as a keynote speaker in a lot of anti-censorship conferences around the world. In all fairness, Wikileaks has exposed documents from a lot of different government and international companies all across the political spectrum, but most recently they seem to be focusing their attention on the war in Iraq and Afghanistan and US foreign military policy specifically. Just last week PFC Bradley Manning, a twenty two year old US Army intelligence specialist serving in the Middle East, was arrested and faces court martial for releasing sensitive military data that was eventually released on Wikileaks. Wikileaks has not confirmed that Manning is the source of some of the footage and documents displayed on its site, but they have hired US defense attorneys to represent him. At this point Manning faces a maximum of fifty two years in prison. The United States government has expressed alarm over some of the documents released on Wikileaks and has said that the information could hamper our efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan and could result in US military and civilian casualties. The US government has asked Wikileaks to withdraw the documents and to stop displaying classified materials, but not only has Wikileaks refused to stop posting sensitive items, they have indicated that they are going to release thousands of additional documents. A spokesman for the Taliban have stated that they will review the documents released on Wikileaks to see if they can identify informants and punish them accordingly. The media pundits have been discussing what can be legally done to stop Wikileaks from releasing sensitive intelligence that could endanger the lives of military personnel. The problem is that Wikileaks has no official headquarters, and while it is based in Sweden its contributors seem to operate out of private residences or rented office spaces. Reportedly Assange was using a rental house in Iceland to release most of the recent documents and video involving sensitive US documents. Presumably Iceland could expel Assange and foreign nationals working for Wikileaks, but they would simply set up camp somewhere else. Assange is an Australian national, and has indicated that his attorneys have advised him against travelling to the United States. There have been rumblings among some circles in Australia that Assange is aiding the enemies of Australia and endangering the lives of Australian soldiers in Afghanistan. The Australian government could revoke his passport and order him to the country, but so far they have not done so, probably fearing the outcry from the media and censorship critics. What, if anything, should be done about Julian Assange and Wikileaks? If Assange were an American citizen this would be easy. PFC Manning will almost definitely be convicted of mishandling classified data and will more than likely spend the next couple of decades making little rocks out of big rocks in Ft. Leavenworth. Two MIT students that may have assisted Bradley are under investigation by the FBI, and for all we know are sweating in an interrogation room right now. An imaginative U.S. Attorney will have no problem finding something to charge them with, and most definitely have the leverage to scare the wits out of them. It is probably wise for Assange to stay out of the United States, but could the Justice Department put out a warrant for his arrest and request extradition? Should they even try? Should the US put pressure on Australia to muzzle Assange? The next question I would submit is this: What if the United States is unable to silence Assange or stop Wikileaks through legal means? At one point does a foreign national or group that exposes intelligence documents sensitive to our national security become considered a threat? You can make arguments all day long that the United States shouldn't target the citizens of foreign nationals living outside the boundaries of the United States, but at one point does a person like Assange become like a foreign terrorist? Assange may not be planting roadside bombs or planning terrorist attacks against American civilians or military personnel, but one could convincingly argue that by releasing sensitive data Assange and his ilk at Wikileaks are placing the lives of Am
 
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Panther       9/1/2010 11:12:57 PM
Swedish prosecutors re-open rape charges
 
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smitty237    Update   11/29/2010 7:54:04 PM
Wikileaks has recently released more sensitive documents, many of which are said to be embarassing to the United States and some allies.  Among the information released were diplomatic documents that discuss some of the back room deals that have taken place to gain cooperation from our allies in the Coalition.  Some embarassing personal information was released, and some political leaders of foreign countries are portrayed in a rather unflattering light. 
 
One tidbit of particular interest was a warning from the State Department that some of the information being released could be harmful to Russia or Israel.  I found this interesting because while Israel and Russia are very different countries, they have something in common in that they are not afraid to reach out and take action against people they feel are a threat to their interests.  The United States has threatened to file charges against Julian Assange, but this could be legally problematic.  Thus far the Obama Administration has seemed unwilling to take more aggressive action against Assange and his ilk, but the Israelis and the Russians have no such compunctions.  If you don't have the guts to do a dirty deed yourself, try to motivate someone who does to do it for you...........
 
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PPR    Different take   11/29/2010 10:22:43 PM
I have a different take on this.  Julian Assange is not the problem.  He may be self-serving jerk who does not consider the lives he has endangered, but he is not the problem.  If the US did not have any leaks, Julian Assange would have nothing to publish.  It is not the person who published the secrets, it is the person who leaked the secrets in the first place.  In this case it is alleged to be Bradley Manning.
 
There is also a technology issue.  It makes no sense that one person could access hundred of thousands of documents when one could reasonably be expected to read perhapse a 50-100 a day in an analytical setting (if that).  The fact that someone could access so many classified documents and release them to a third party shows a serious security issue with the new technology.  That will no doubt be remedied in time.
 
But the issue of the leakers remain.  Here's how it should be dealt with:
 
War-time espionage is a death penalty offense.  One has only to show that our enemies obtained these secrets from Manning.  The use of an intermediary doesn't really matter, whether it was passed on through a diplomat or published on an Internet news site.  If Manning new these secrets would be published, it was a reasonable conclusion that our enemies would see it.
 
Put a few leakers in front of a firing squad and the leaks will dry up.
 
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Mikko       11/30/2010 4:55:19 AM
Maybe digitalized classified information has reached its peak and future is that of highly intelligent search/sort -engines that refer to physical letters stored manually. In some cases, that is. 

Maybe the future isn't about knowing all, but knowing superbly well where one can find  certain physical documents and how relevant they are; intelligent relevancy and search word scanning that is stored digitally as tags and the content never stored in digital form. Enter typewriter.

Of course that would be an overkill in most cases but nevertheless.

Shoot the leakers huh? Rock the boat that barely floats? If interpreted in a very loose manner the Wikileaks phenomena is a pressure valve. When enough people feel their governments are withholding crucial information from their subjects a critical mass of skilled activists is enabled, and as the tools are there the information goes *pzzzzzzssssssshhhh*. People are willing to die for base jumping which is a hedonistic hobby, so dying for a cause doesn't stop the cause. 

1) Stop the leaks by communication guidelines, preventive security measures and technology 
2) Start thinking of new standards of informing citizens in a long term to lower the pressure.

 
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Volkodav       12/1/2010 3:05:25 AM
Is part of the problem the Generation Y thirst / hunger for fame (should that be obsession with fame).  No thoughts of consequences just the desire to show everyone how important and powerful they are, far more serious but akin to posting acts of dangerous personal stupidly on Youtube.  Manning was caught because he bragged he wanted people to know how clever he was.
 
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J_E_S_T_E_R       12/25/2010 8:49:08 PM

To answer that, what would or could the American government do if it were an American publishing info about the Aussies?

I think not allot really.

The real crime here is the second rate information security by American secret services.  You should thank good old Bush junior directives for screwing up allot of that.

over 2 million Americans had access to the info that manning had access to. Thanks to Wiki leaks weak American information security will have to be tightened up. No one knows how many unpublished leaks there has been to foreign governments .

Assange has given American security services a bloody nose  but it is just what they needed to sort there act out, you don't see it now because you are very emotional about the issue, but the chap has done you a big favour .

You should note for instance allot of what he has published has been redacted. not the actions of a man bent on destroying America.

Conspiracy theorist might even think it to be an internal plot within America to improve security of the America in the long run, after all why direct so much publicity at the Wiki leaks website.

Given that China is going to have a bigger economy than America by 2020, I think America is going needs it's allies more than it ever has in the past so it won't do anything that upsets the populations among key allies.

 
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J_E_S_T_E_R       12/25/2010 8:55:48 PM

To answer that, what would or could the American government do if it were an American publishing info about the Aussies?

I think not allot really.

The real crime here is the second rate information security by American secret services.  You should thank good old Bush junior directives for screwing up allot of that.

over 2 million Americans had access to the info that manning had access to. Thanks to Wiki leaks weak American information security will have to be tightened up. No one knows how many unpublished leaks there has been to foreign governments .

Assange has given American security services a bloody nose  but it is just what they needed to sort there act out, you don't see it now because you are very emotional about the issue, but the chap has done you a big favour .

You should note for instance allot of what he has published has been redacted. not the actions of a man bent on destroying America.

Conspiracy theorist might even think it to be an internal plot within America to improve security of the America in the long run, after all why direct so much publicity at the Wiki leaks website.

Given that China is going to have a bigger economy than America by 2020, I think America is going needs it's allies more than it ever has in the past so it won't do anything that upsets the populations among key allies.

 
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heraldabc    Only one thing wrong with that theory, Jester.    12/25/2010 10:00:09 PM
99% of the damage Private Manning did was under OBAMA's watch, and it was his lax security goons' measures, not Bush's that were the proximate cause. Check the release timelines. 
 
Also, we don't need a want-to-be third-rate blogger who used his gig to hit on girls and feed his own shallow ego to do our own internal security house-keeping. That we shall attend anon when we throw these current amateurs out. The critical failure is not what you think it is.
 
The rot is at the top, but you haven't picked the correct apple tree.
 
H.
   
 
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gf0012-aust       12/26/2010 1:31:35 AM

The real crime here is the second rate information security by American secret services.  You should thank good old Bush junior directives for screwing up allot of that.

actually, its got little to do with american security services.  the material released is low order material that has not come out of any US mil classified networks. its equiv to what AustDef would pass on to DFAT.  IOW, State Dept has the problem and its their systems and handlers that are at fault.  Its their systems which have not managed the release, or the interception of dismounted storage thats caused the problem.  Its got ferk all to do with Bush - its got everything to do with States rubber finally hitting the road and learning the hard way that their security is not up to par.  If I was any other US Agency I wouldn't be sharing squat with them until they get their house in order.  To paraphrase "smug is as smug does"


Assange has given American security services a bloody nose  but it is just what they needed to sort there act out, you don't see it now because you are very emotional about the issue, but the chap has done you a big favour .

what high systems were compromised?  None.  Its a lo system managed by State - its States practices that should be held to account - and its their own security areas that should be getting the kicking - blaming US security agencies with a broad sweep of the hand is easy but  intellectually indolent and convenient because everyone loves generalising as it helps in dumbing down the argument and the facts.

You should note for instance allot of what he has published has been redacted. not the actions of a man bent on destroying America.

Crap.  it was post redacted after it was pointed out on the first release.  What ferking tool doesn't understand that if you name local afghani interpreters then you put them and their families at risk - that you put operations at risk.  A 1st year graduate intel officer straight out of university could work that out.

Conspiracy theorist might even think it to be an internal plot within America to improve security of the America in the long run, after all why direct so much publicity at the Wiki leaks website.

Conspiracy theories are always the convenient sword to draw.  Real life requires more intellectual rigour, something that is short on currency and a general paucity of thereof....

Given that China is going to have a bigger economy than America by 2020, I think America is going needs it's allies more than it ever has in the past so it won't do anything that upsets the populations among key allies.

China is doing just fine in managing to maker her neighbours rethink about force protection.  The americans just need to let china trot out the regular speeches about "splitists"and "recidivists" and the chinese will reap their own foreign policy headaches.  Everytime they bully the Urghuirs and try to bully australian politicians into who they can speak to, then it just reinforces how far behind the reality curve they are.  60m Urghuirs is no small percentile of political headache.



 
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gf0012-aust       12/31/2010 5:37:01 PM

Just to reinforce what I stated earlier about State Dept no getting its schitt together...:


WikiLeaks cable dump reveals flaws of State Department's information-sharing tool

By Joby Warrick
Washington Post Staff Writer

Friday, December 31, 2010; 12:00 AM

Before the infamous leak, the 250,000 State Department cables acquired by anti-secrecy activists resided in a database so obscure that few diplomats had heard of it.

It had a bureaucratic name, Net-Centric Diplomacy, and served an important mission: the rapid sharing of information that could help uncover threats against the United States. But like many bureaucratic inventions, it expanded beyond what its creators had imagined. It also contained risks that no one foresaw.

Millions of people around the world now know that the State Department's secret cables became the property of WikiLeaks. But only recently have investigators understood the critical role played by Net-Centric Diplomacy, a computer initiative that became the conduit for what was perhaps the biggest heist of sensitive U.S. government documents in modern times.

Partly because of its design but also because of confusion among its users, the database became an inadvertent repository for a vast array of State Department cables, including records of the U.S. government's most sensitive discussions with foreign leaders and diplomats. Unfortunately for the department, the system lacked features to detect the unauthorized downloading by Pentagon employees and others of massive amounts of data, according to State Department officials and information-security experts. The result was a disastrous setback for U.S. diplomatic efforts around the globe.

"This was as bad as it gets," said Patrick F. Kennedy, undersecretary of state for management, referring to the diplomatic fallout. "We had, over the course of many years, built up a huge amount of faith and trust. That's ruptured now, all over the world."

U.S. officials and security analysts describe the leak as a cautionary tale, one that underscores flaws in security for secret government data while also exposing a downside to the U.S. government's enthusiastic embrace of information-sharing in the months after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

Investigations into the attacks concluded that government agencies had failed to share critical information that could have helped uncover the Sept. 11 plot. Because of that lapse, Congress tasked the Office of the Director of National Intelligence with pressuring key government agencies - including the Pentagon, the Homeland Security Department and the State Department - to find ways to rapidly share information that could be relevant to possible terrorist plots and other threats.

The State Department, with its hundreds of diplomatic posts worldwide, was already making tens of thousands of classified cables available to intelligence and military officials with secret security clearances. But in 2005, the DNI and the Defense Department agreed to pay for a new State Department computer database that could allow the agency's cables to flow more easily to other users throughout the federal government.

"It was consistent with the concept of needing to share information after September 11th," said State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley. "We were asked to do it, and the Pentagon paid for it."

Plagued by user errors

Net-Centric Diplomacy was launched in 2006 and tied into a giant Defense Department system known as the Secret Internet Protocol Router Network, or SIPRnet. Soon, nearly half a million government employees and contractors with security clearances could tap into the diplomatic cables from computer terminals around the globe.

The State Department's new database quickly garnered praise as a model of interagency collaboration. The database was named a finalist for an Excellence in Government award in 2006. The following year, then-Director of National Intelligence John D. Negroponte, whose agency led the push for information-sharing, congratulated State Department officials for making their secret cables "available in a timely, user-friendly way."

"The State Department's commitment shows the way for other agencies," Negroponte wrote in a Jan. 29, 2007, letter to then-Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice.

The flaws did not become apparent until much later. One of biggest problems: Sensitive cables were often dumped willy-nilly into the database regardless of whether they belonged there, according to two department officials familiar with the internal procedures for data storage.

Thousands of cables and other documents pass through Foggy Bottom daily, and to ensure that they are

 
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