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Subject: Australian gun laws, good, bad, or misdirected?
Volkodav    7/11/2010 6:10:12 AM
My personal opinion, they missed the mark by basing exclusions and exemptions on a persons occupation / vocation not their mental health or risk to society. Thoughts?
 
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-Omega-       1/19/2014 9:51:59 PM
Continued - Baracuda .

If the laws are so Draconian why have they not been immediatley repealed by the repeatedly changing Federal Governments.  Just a thought, however the conditions you describe are very similiar to Child Sex offenders, however I don't think raising that point really helps my argument.

Compairing child sex offenders and Law abiding firearm owners who have been back ground checked by state and federal police , and a clean criminal history is both an emotive unfair swipe ... and a ridiculous comparison to suggest , even as a joke .

As to why the draconian gun laws have not been repealed in Australia ... well some have ..... but the majority remain .... Again if you were actually knowledgeable or had experience regarding the current firearm laws you would know that some of have actually been repealed ..unfortunately then replaced with more draconian ridiculous legislation...which as usual targets and effects only the licenced law abiding firearm owner ...not the criminal. 


There are plenty of previous draconian laws in Australia that were LAW for decades ..... such as homosexuality being illegal ........ this draconian law was not repealed by the next government or the next etc ..... but remained law for decades ...... does that mean that was a good law aswell then ?..... Sometimes laws take decades to change , as public perception and education takes time

The media's constant anti gun agenda ,for 18 years since port arthur has certainly not helped ,

 

 
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Barracuda       1/25/2014 6:08:05 AM


Continued - Baracuda .

If the laws are so Draconian why have they not been immediatley repealed by the repeatedly changing Federal Governments.  Just a thought, however the conditions you describe are very similiar to Child Sex offenders, however I don't think raising that point really helps my argument.

Compairing child sex offenders and Law abiding firearm owners who have been back ground checked by state and federal police , and a clean criminal history is both an emotive unfair swipe ... and a ridiculous comparison to suggest , even as a joke .

As to why the draconian gun laws have not been repealed in Australia ... well some have ..... but the majority remain .... Again if you were actually knowledgeable or had experience regarding the current firearm laws you would know that some of have actually been repealed ..unfortunately then replaced with more draconian ridiculous legislation...which as usual targets and effects only the licenced law abiding firearm owner ...not the criminal. 


There are plenty of previous draconian laws in Australia that were LAW for decades ..... such as homosexuality being illegal ........ this draconian law was not repealed by the next government or the next etc ..... but remained law for decades ...... does that mean that was a good law aswell then ?..... Sometimes laws take decades to change , as public perception and education takes time

The media's constant anti gun agenda ,for 18 years since port arthur has certainly not helped ,

 


Oh my God ... its just goes and on and on ... Can you actually read without feeling everyone is against you.  I was actually implying that then gun laws that monitiored gun owners was similar to sex offenders ... therefore I was emphasizing with your veiwpoint.
The issue I have with you is this ... you completely refuse to see the other side of the coin.  If I disagree with you I am hysterical, ill informed blah blah ... your argument is boring.  You add nothing to your case ... which is contary to Australian Law apart from we are all wrong and you are hard done by.
 
I like the point you made about educating us to change the laws.  But implying that our view point is childish and draconian without any respect for why we have the viewpoint is lazy and if your case is so important it deserves better.
 
When you get the laws changed, again I will support that.  But as I said for you to have a semi automatic weapon in an urban area without it being neccessary for your employment and maybe your sport serves no purpose to the greater community apart from keeping you happy.  So lets change the laws to keep you happy.
 
I honestly can't be bothered anymore.  Your right, I'm wrong ... I look forward to you making an eduacted comment on something defence related.

 
 
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-Omega-       1/31/2014 8:21:11 AM







Continued - Baracuda .

If the laws are so Draconian why have they not been immediatley repealed by the repeatedly changing Federal Governments.  Just a thought, however the conditions you describe are very similiar to Child Sex offenders, however I don't think raising that point really helps my argument.

Compairing child sex offenders and Law abiding firearm owners who have been back ground checked by state and federal police , and a clean criminal history is both an emotive unfair swipe ... and a ridiculous comparison to suggest , even as a joke .

As to why the draconian gun laws have not been repealed in Australia ... well some have ..... but the majority remain .... Again if you were actually knowledgeable or had experience regarding the current firearm laws you would know that some of have actually been repealed ..unfortunately then replaced with more draconian ridiculous legislation...which as usual targets and effects only the licenced law abiding firearm owner ...not the criminal. 


There are plenty of previous draconian laws in Australia that were LAW for decades ..... such as homosexuality being illegal ........ this draconian law was not repealed by the next government or the next etc ..... but remained law for decades ...... does that mean that was a good law aswell then ?..... Sometimes laws take decades to change , as public perception and education takes time

The media's constant anti gun agenda ,for 18 years since port arthur has certainly not helped ,

 





Oh my God ... its just goes and on and on ... Can you actually read without feeling everyone is against you.  I was actually implying that then gun laws that monitiored gun owners was similar to sex offenders ... therefore I was emphasizing with your veiwpoint.

The issue I have with you is this ... you completely refuse to see the other side of the coin.  If I disagree with you I am hysterical, ill informed blah blah ... your argument is boring.  You add nothing to your case ... which is contary to Australian Law apart from we are all wrong and you are hard done by.

 

I like the point you made about educating us to change the laws.  But implying that our view point is childish and draconian without any respect for why we have the viewpoint is lazy and if your case is so important it deserves better.

 

When you get the laws changed, again I will support that.  But as I said for you to have a semi automatic weapon in an urban area without it being neccessary for your employment and maybe your sport serves no purpose to the greater community apart from keeping you happy.  So lets change the laws to keep you happy.

 

I honestly can't be bothered anymore.  Your right, I'm wrong ... I look forward to you making an eduacted comment on something defence related.

 


Wow .... Just wow ... after being asked more then once if you have any knowledge at all of the current firearm laws ...you still refuse to answer , and somehow fail to see why I would ask you such a relevent question.

Then accuse me of " failing to see the other side " , when you have done the exact thing ... I provided examples where semi automatic rifles are needed for competetion sport ( which you claimed there was no need for )

Then you go on to say that " owning a semi automatic rifles " serves no greater purpose to the community " ......... why would it have to ?

Do you apply that same logic to other privaately owned inanimate objects ? .... My Bolt action rifles I currently own ( in suburbia ) also serve no " purpose " to my surrounding community ..... your point is ?

Instead the childish dummy spit and the " im done with the discussion " .

I look forward to debating you on another topic soon , hopefully with less emotions ruling your  responses to the discussion at hand .

 
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pajamatime       3/14/2014 6:15:23 AM
ffs...
-_- lets end this argument...History has shown that gun laws always fail to accomplish that which they were implemented for and they for the most part were usually implemented for other reasons then that which were stated.
current Australian firearms laws was a attempt at the theory "reduce guns reduce crime" approuch which failed...again-_-.

yeah we are seeing improvements but we still have more guns now in the country then we did post 1996 which. And our firearms blackmarket is more powerful and lucrative then ever attracting more and more guns from over seas and also more criminals along the way. heavy regulation and bans has always had this effect regardless *sigh*  its depressing watching country after country try this failing method...at the same time its almost funny like watching really dumb people hit each other on the heads with baseball bats all day. hey! its my imagination right and thats FUNNY! lol
 
And America...you need allot more 
compulsory firearms safety education and you need to really come down hard on the type of gun culture you have given birth to through violence and war and I don't mean give up your rights i just mean force your culture to change through compulsary education.  Yeah sure it might take 10-20 years as generations die and birth but the end results will be a culture more resembling that of the switz and AU. regardless no matter how hard anti gunners try, it is virtually 100% impossible to accomplish no guns! the industries are just to powerful and we are in a massively corrupt economic system that is crumbling and quivering from age where progress is paralysed and the evil for more power and more profits comes before all life on this planet and the planet itself.

mind you I'm not saying guns are evil or bad, in fact they are a very useful tool in the right hands much like a knife or a hammer or a car or explosives etc etc but like almost anything except maybe marsh mellows and other really soft foods they can be used offensively if the wrong person gets possession of such tools especially something like a firearm or a knife, axe.

but yeah essentially there is no cure! but a healthy mentality can be developed by the majority and educate educate educate about firearms safety.
 
 
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hairy man    Australian gun laws, good, bad, or misdirected?   3/22/2014 9:45:11 PM
As a retired Policeman I thought at the time they were introduced that the new gun laws were a knee-jerk reaction by the government, and overkill. I dont recall and of these mass killers using shotguns or .22's.  As far as the handgun issue, it has not stopped bikies and criminals getting their hands on them, so the laws have not been very successful have they.
 
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