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Subject: Japan lodges 'stern' complaint with New Zealand over Sea Shepherd's anti-whaling activities
Volkodav    1/7/2010 1:51:01 AM
Peter Alford From: The Australian January 07, 2010 2:51PM Japan today lodged a "stern" official complaint with New Zealand over the Southern Ocean collision between a Japanese whaling ship and a Sea Shepherd Conservation Society vessel. The Japanese government is calling for Australia and New Zealand to curb Sea Shepherd’s Antarctic activities, while officials here deny claims Shonan Maru No. 2 deliberately rammed Sea Shepherd’s Ady Gil. “We lodged a complaint with the New Zealand government in a stern manner because the vessel is registered in New Zealand, and have strongly asked it not to repeat such an incident in the future,'' Chief Cabinet Secretary Hirofumi Hirano said today. Describing the collision between Sea Shepherd's Ady Gil and the whaling fleet security vessel Shonan Maru No. 2 as “extremely regrettable”, the Japan Fisheries Agency called for unspecified “appropriate measures” from the two countries. Australia allows port facilities to Sea Shepherd flagship Steve Irwin and Ady Gil is New Zealand-registered. Acting Prime Minister Julia Gillard said she had seen the incident, in which the lightweight vessel had its bow sheared off, on video and had called on the Australian Maritime Safety Authority to investigate. “It deeply concerns me. Lives are at risk. It seems miraculous that lives were not lost,” Ms Gillard said in Adelaide. However, she said the government would not send the customs vessel, the Oceanic Viking, to the region. The vessel was sent to the region two years ago to observe and “it did not influence behaviour”. Earlier today, an international law expert at the Australian National University, Professor Donald Rothwell, told The Australian Online that Australia should send the Oceanic Viking to monitor the clashes between whalers and the anti-whaling vessels, which were operating “at the very limit and edge of the law”. Last night, the operator of the so-called scientific whaling program, the Institute of Cetacean Research, accused Australian authorities of neglecting its international obligation to curb Sea Shepherd's hazardous operations. “Following last December attacks, Australia, the de facto home port country to the Steve Irwin, neglected to take appropriate and objective actions when the activists' vessel briefly made port call in Hobart,” the Institute of Cetacean Research said in a statement. As the incident today attracted rare front page treatment of a subject usually downplayed by Japanese news outlets, senior Opposition MP Shigeru Ishiba called for international criminal action against Sea Shepherd vessels. “Sea Shepherd should be considered in the same way as pirates so that we can arrest them in international waters,” the former defence and agriculture minister said. Last year, while Mr Ishiba's party was still in office and he was minister responsible for whaling, the government considered seeking Sea Shepherd's declaration as a piracy group but did not act. A Fisheries Agency official said today investigations of the collision were continuing and all facts were not yet available but he denied that it had been caused by the Japanese vessel. He said a video taken from the Shonan Maru No. 2 proved the whalers' claim that Ady Gil had sped into the path of the larger vessel. However the video published on the ICR website appears to support Sea Shepherd's claim the security vessel veered onto a collision course with Ady Gil which, at the time, was moving only slowly. with agencies __________________________________________________________________ The thing I find interesting is Japan does not recognise our authority to tell them to stop whaling in the Southern Ocean yet they critise us for not using our authority over the Souther Ocean to prosecute the protesters for interfering with the whaling we don't want to be happening in the first place. They either recognise our authority or they don't, but I do not appreciate my country being dictated to by a corporation masquerading and a government research agency.
 
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Nichevo       3/17/2010 1:08:47 AM

What about a market approach. 
 
Game on!  Technical issues but this is the answer.

 Anyone owning a whale also takes possession of any offspring they might have - just as the owner of a sheep owns its calf. This might raise the price of female whales but so be it - that might be good for conservation.  Over time those who buy whales to conserve will likely own many more than those who buy to eat.
 
 
Yeah?  Who owns the most cows and chickens?  There is no surer route to survival for an animal than to be useful to humans.

The benefit is that the Japanese too will be forced to conserve because they will then be restricted to killing only a sustainable portion of the whales they own.

Who says the Japanese whaling is unsustainable?  Minke whales aren't endangered.  The reason they ate whale meat was that it was CHEAP, hence, obviously, EASILY AVAILABLE.  Meanwhile it's having to be forced down the gullets of schoolchildren so I don't think moderation in supply will ruin them.  (Has anyone here ever eaten whale?  Is it good?  Would it catch on if legal/destigmatized?)
 

The market will force prices upward if the number of whales declines - eventually likely to push prices too high to use them for eating given that conservationists are probably unlikely to sell their "pets" as readily as those owning whales for economic gain.  This is a self regulating force that aids the whale.

Conservationists can be scumbags too - viz. Dominic Greene of Green Planet in Quantum of Solace.  (Yes, fiction, the readiest example that came to mind.  But remember that the biggest killer of stray animals in the US is PETA.)
 
If it were ever necessary or desirable, somebody would invent whaleaculture and solve the problem for good and all - re: any concerns of extinction; we'd still feel bad eating Flipper.

 
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Aussiegunneragain       3/17/2010 8:39:44 PM

 
 
Is rape, disembowelment, vivisection over the top?  Maybe.  But yes, I certainly think they should all die, preferably in some way that would serve as a disincentive to further such madness.  At the very, very least, their ships should all be sunk.

Let's say that I deem some suitably ironic fate should befall them.  I thought the ancient/modern Japanese ROE an amusing and sufficiently obvious counter to your ancient/modern whaling methods trip, but forgot your usual lack of self-awareness.

Oh silly me ... ho, ho, thats hilarious.
 
Perhaps being eaten by sharks (or killer whales) would do.  Or drowning in their own vats of butyric acid.  Is that better?  If they were Somali pirates or AQ terrorists, nobody would have any trouble laying some torps or missiles or gunfire on them.  They are terrorists and pirates, but they all have (as far as I noticed) white skins, and conceivably you might know somebody who knows them, so you feel bad. 

Speak for yourself, I would unless they were shooting back. By the way, nice lame arsed attempt to play the race card. Idiot.

 



 
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Nichevo       3/18/2010 11:22:23 PM




 

 

Is rape, disembowelment, vivisection over the top?  Maybe.  But yes, I certainly think they should all die, preferably in some way that would serve as a disincentive to further such madness.  At the very, very least, their ships should all be sunk.




Let's say that I deem some suitably ironic fate should befall them.  I thought the ancient/modern Japanese ROE an amusing and sufficiently obvious counter to your ancient/modern whaling methods trip, but forgot your usual lack of self-awareness.



Oh silly me ... ho, ho, thats hilarious.

 
Takes one to know one.  Since next to the Chinese trolls you are the biggest joke on this site, that's significant praise. 
 
 
 

Perhaps being eaten by sharks (or killer whales) would do.  Or drowning in their own vats of butyric acid.  Is that better?  If they were Somali pirates or AQ terrorists, nobody would have any trouble laying some torps or missiles or gunfire on them.  They are terrorists and pirates, but they all have (as far as I noticed) white skins, and conceivably you might know somebody who knows them, so you feel bad. 

Speak for yourself, I would unless they were shooting back.
 
 
Like those Somali pirates who had the captain at gunpoint, but were not actually firing when the SEAL snipers took them out? 
 
Hey, I said nobody would have trouble.  I guess we know what that makes you.  Which is not much of a surprise; actually it's how I've always thought of you.  But it's good of you to own up to it and confirm my judgment.
 

 
By the way, nice lame arsed attempt to play the race card. Idiot.

 
I won't swear that YOU'RE a racist, though I consider no sort of stupidity beyond you.  That crew (of the SS), however, is whiter than Ivory Soap (perhaps it would be racist to suppose that no nonwhites would spend their time on something as senseless as the SS "mission?").  And, white or not, there is a good chance for you to have some sort of mutual connection with one or more of that crew (seeing as they evidently like to dock down by you), far higher than you knowing any of the Japanese. 
 
Again, as for "Idiot," I have to be careful as you are certainly the SP expert on idiocy and I cannot compete with you there.  In fact you may seek to assert a de facto monopoly and perhaps that is right.
 

 
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Hugo       3/19/2010 10:59:40 AM
Yeah?  Who owns the most cows and chickens?  There is no surer route to survival for an animal than to be useful to humans.

Well, it might be considered that as pets, whales are useful to humans.  Whale owners could keep tabs on their beasties or indeed entire flock.  Maybe some enterprising company could provide real-time satellite imagery for whale owners.  They could also go out and "visit" them, viewing them from observation boats taking emotional comfort from the knowledge that their largesse has enabled these big blue beasts of the sea to roam freely in absence of danger from whalers. 

Who says the Japanese whaling is unsustainable?  Minke whales aren't endangered.  The reason they ate whale meat was that it was CHEAP, hence, obviously, EASILY AVAILABLE.  Meanwhile it's having to be forced down the gullets of schoolchildren so I don't think moderation in supply will ruin them.  (Has anyone here ever eaten whale?  Is it good?  Would it catch on if legal/destigmatized?)
 

Not me, I just said that the market would force them to be sustainable if they wanted to continue their operations.  Regular fisherman whether it be cod fishermen or other routinely go out of business because the lack of property rights encourages over fishing.  The cheapest food in Massachussets in the 19th century used to be lobster.  Only the poor would eat the stuff or it would be used as pig feed etc.  Over catching has changed the situation dramatically in the last hundred years.


 
If it were ever necessary or desirable, somebody would invent whaleaculture and solve the problem for good and all - re: any concerns of extinction; we'd still feel bad eating Flipper.
 
Apparently inroads are being made into this specific aquaculture but my understanding is that the nature of whale migratory patterns makes it somewhat difficult.
 
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Volkodav       3/20/2010 1:41:58 AM
White skin is not, nor has it even been a prerequisite for racism.  A personal observation, the first to claim the behaviour of another is racist is often found to be a racist or a bigot themselves.
 
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Nichevo       3/22/2010 4:29:03 PM
Projection is pretty universal.  The question was not first asked here by me, why not bother the Norwegians, etc.?  But the types that these Sea Slugs are, I associate with every kind of depravity.  It would not be impossible for me to believe they resent the Japs because they want to kill and eat the whales themselves, or feed them to the Third World or something.
 
Also I maintain that while there were both men and women, I do not remember, on the couple of episodes I watched, a single black, Hispanic or Asian character.  Not one.  Make of that what you will, but that is pretty rare for TV these days.
 
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Nichevo       3/22/2010 4:32:10 PM
Certainly racism is not exclusive to whites.  Plenty of it to be found in Asia, and everywhere else. I'm not even sure it's a bad thing - that is to say it probably has a biological basis - evolutionary adaptivity - and you can justify everything from rape to infanticide these days by explaining how it links to natural selection.
 
 
Odd though that they could not find a single Sea Slug from Japan, you'd think it would look good on TV.
 
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