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Subject: Japan lodges 'stern' complaint with New Zealand over Sea Shepherd's anti-whaling activities
Volkodav    1/7/2010 1:51:01 AM
Peter Alford From: The Australian January 07, 2010 2:51PM Japan today lodged a "stern" official complaint with New Zealand over the Southern Ocean collision between a Japanese whaling ship and a Sea Shepherd Conservation Society vessel. The Japanese government is calling for Australia and New Zealand to curb Sea Shepherd’s Antarctic activities, while officials here deny claims Shonan Maru No. 2 deliberately rammed Sea Shepherd’s Ady Gil. “We lodged a complaint with the New Zealand government in a stern manner because the vessel is registered in New Zealand, and have strongly asked it not to repeat such an incident in the future,'' Chief Cabinet Secretary Hirofumi Hirano said today. Describing the collision between Sea Shepherd's Ady Gil and the whaling fleet security vessel Shonan Maru No. 2 as “extremely regrettable”, the Japan Fisheries Agency called for unspecified “appropriate measures” from the two countries. Australia allows port facilities to Sea Shepherd flagship Steve Irwin and Ady Gil is New Zealand-registered. Acting Prime Minister Julia Gillard said she had seen the incident, in which the lightweight vessel had its bow sheared off, on video and had called on the Australian Maritime Safety Authority to investigate. “It deeply concerns me. Lives are at risk. It seems miraculous that lives were not lost,” Ms Gillard said in Adelaide. However, she said the government would not send the customs vessel, the Oceanic Viking, to the region. The vessel was sent to the region two years ago to observe and “it did not influence behaviour”. Earlier today, an international law expert at the Australian National University, Professor Donald Rothwell, told The Australian Online that Australia should send the Oceanic Viking to monitor the clashes between whalers and the anti-whaling vessels, which were operating “at the very limit and edge of the law”. Last night, the operator of the so-called scientific whaling program, the Institute of Cetacean Research, accused Australian authorities of neglecting its international obligation to curb Sea Shepherd's hazardous operations. “Following last December attacks, Australia, the de facto home port country to the Steve Irwin, neglected to take appropriate and objective actions when the activists' vessel briefly made port call in Hobart,” the Institute of Cetacean Research said in a statement. As the incident today attracted rare front page treatment of a subject usually downplayed by Japanese news outlets, senior Opposition MP Shigeru Ishiba called for international criminal action against Sea Shepherd vessels. “Sea Shepherd should be considered in the same way as pirates so that we can arrest them in international waters,” the former defence and agriculture minister said. Last year, while Mr Ishiba's party was still in office and he was minister responsible for whaling, the government considered seeking Sea Shepherd's declaration as a piracy group but did not act. A Fisheries Agency official said today investigations of the collision were continuing and all facts were not yet available but he denied that it had been caused by the Japanese vessel. He said a video taken from the Shonan Maru No. 2 proved the whalers' claim that Ady Gil had sped into the path of the larger vessel. However the video published on the ICR website appears to support Sea Shepherd's claim the security vessel veered onto a collision course with Ady Gil which, at the time, was moving only slowly. with agencies __________________________________________________________________ The thing I find interesting is Japan does not recognise our authority to tell them to stop whaling in the Southern Ocean yet they critise us for not using our authority over the Souther Ocean to prosecute the protesters for interfering with the whaling we don't want to be happening in the first place. They either recognise our authority or they don't, but I do not appreciate my country being dictated to by a corporation masquerading and a government research agency.
 
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bartrat       1/8/2010 11:06:49 AM
The show is named "Whale Wars".
 
 
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FJV    Don't like any of them, really   1/8/2010 11:44:25 AM
I can't decide which side of this issue I dislike more.
 
Both the whalers and the anti whalers in this issue are a bunch of bastards as far as I'm concerned.

 
 
 
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Photon       1/8/2010 3:13:26 PM
Both the whalers and the anti whalers in this issue are a bunch of bastards as far as I'm concerned.
That is why I was thinking of having both groups of bastards stand on the planks, then pop bullets in to the backs of their heads.  On one hand, I have very little sympathy towards Japanese whalers.  In today's world, there are many choices with regards to what we can eat, and there are far more cheaper ways than going after whales.  On the other hand, I also have very little sympathy towards anti-whaling activists.  Whaling and anti-whaling is not a black-and-white, nor a 'us vs. them' issue, but they have a tendency towards making such a media spin.  Freedom of economy and freedom of speech?  Not with these two -- freedom of stupidity instead.  http://www.strategypage.com/CuteSoft_Client/CuteEditor/Images/emsmilep.gif" alt="" />
 
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brizzydude       1/9/2010 3:19:59 AM
Here's my take on whaling - if it's a traditional source of food and a major part of your culture then go for it.  Just make sure you are doing it the traditional way.
 
I don't recall hearing abour 400ft whaling motherships and fast 'attack' boats with explosive harpoons in any traditional japanese or icelandic folklore.  If you are game enough to paddle out in an open canoe and successfully hunt a whale then, as far as I'm concerned, you can have it.  Just don't claim tradition and use modern tech at the same time.
 
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Volkodav       1/9/2010 4:50:33 AM

Ah but the Japanese are doing it for scientific research.  It apparently is vital to record the eye ball diameter (and other extraneous details) of a sample of the whale population each year and unfortunately the only way to get those verniers around those eye balls etc. is to kill and butcher the whale.  The whale meat sold in Japan is (technically) recycling waste from the scientific process.

 
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WarNerd       1/9/2010 5:03:26 AM

Here's my take on whaling - if it's a traditional source of food and a major part of your culture then go for it.  Just make sure you are doing it the traditional way.

I don't recall hearing abour 400ft whaling motherships and fast 'attack' boats with explosive harpoons in any traditional japanese or icelandic folklore.  If you are game enough to paddle out in an open canoe and successfully hunt a whale then, as far as I'm concerned, you can have it.  Just don't claim tradition and use modern tech at the same time.


The traditional way that you refer to is to stab a barbed harpoon into the whale and then let it tow either the boat (referred to as a Nantucket Sleigh ride) or a set of floats until it is to exhausted to swim, then go along side and stab into it's lungs with a lance so that it drowns in it's own blood.  It's a slow (takes hours in most cases), agonizing, death.  It is better to either allow modern methods (explosive harpoons kill in a couple minutes, at most, usually less) or ban whaling all together.
 
As for the mothership, it's purpose is to process and preserve the carcase as quickly as possible to minimize wastage.  Traditionally the carcase was towed to shore for butchering, and had a lot of wastage due to scavanger and spoilage on the trip.  If they get less product per whale, they will probably kill more whales to make up for it.
 
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WarNerd       1/9/2010 5:30:10 AM

The whalers can't have it both ways, if we don't have the authority to stop them whaling we don't have the authority to stop the protesters protesting.
 
 All of the Sea Shepard vessels are registered in New Zealand, as such it is New Zealand's duty to regulate the vessels usage.  So the simple answer is that not only does New Zealand have the authority to stop the protesters, it has the legal duty to do so if they are violating the laws of the sea.  Usually this will take the form of an order to cease-and-desist or their registration will be declared void.
 
Filing the complaint with the New Zealand government is first step in the legal process for requesting them to do something about their behavior.
 
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Volkodav       1/9/2010 6:14:00 AM
All of the Sea Shepard vessels are registered in New Zealand, as such it is New Zealand's duty to regulate the vessels usage.
 
I was under the impression that Sea Shepards registered each of their vessels in different countries specifically to avoid being "regulated" due to formal complaints from Japan.
 
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FJV    Whether I'm for or against whaling depends on the whale stock.   1/9/2010 7:10:02 AM
The main source for why I have problem with whaling and some hunting is that it is endangering species.
 
So if the sea was filled to the brim with huge amounts of whales, most of my opposition against whaling would seize.
 
A world without whales, elephants, tigers, etc. would be a lesser world in my opinion.
 
But when there are plenty of a species like for instance rabbits why not hunt and eat them?
 
 
 

 
 
 
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Aussiegunneragain       1/9/2010 8:52:12 AM




The whalers can't have it both ways, if we don't have the authority to stop them whaling we don't have the authority to stop the protesters protesting.



 

 All of the Sea Shepard vessels are registered in New Zealand, as such it is New Zealand's duty to regulate the vessels usage.  So the simple answer is that not only does New Zealand have the authority to stop the protesters, it has the legal duty to do so if they are violating the laws of the sea.  Usually this will take the form of an order to cease-and-desist or their registration will be declared void.

 Filing the complaint with the New Zealand government is first step in the legal process for requesting them to do something about their behavior.

In this insance I say screw the law and I'd suggest that the New Zealand government would give the Japanese the same answer. International law isn't nearly as black letter like domestic law is, it has more to do with the reletive degree of power that each nation in question has in relation to a given issue. The Japanese might have some power against New Zealand as a result of their role as a big customer of commodities, but they are on thin ice amongst developed nations when it comes to whaling and I don't think they are ever going to risk becoming a pariah by taking punitive measures against New Zealand for not stopping Sea Shepherd over a product that only about 4% of their population actually consumes. As far as I am concerned we should just let Sea Shepherd continue to show the whalers up as the bastards as that they are and hopefully the Japanese populaiton will eventually see why this practice is so wrong, and ban it.
 
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