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Subject: Oh what a surprise, another Collins cock-up
Aussiegunneragain    10/21/2009 8:18:39 AM
Faulkner orders review into Collins class submarine fleet UPDATED: Patrick Walters, National security editor | October 21, 2009 Article from: The Australian DEFENCE Minister John Faulkner has ordered a review into the operational availability of the RAN's Collins class submarines, conceding that technical issues affecting their performance are a major concern for the government. Play 12345Loading…Please login to rate a video.You can't rate an advertisement.(8 votes) Collins class sub fleet faulty The Collins class submarine fleet could be pulled out of action after faults were uncovered. Views today: 260Sorry, this video is no longer available.Senator Faulkner told a parliamentary committee hearing earlier today that he had directed the Defence Materiel Organisation to review all aspects of the availability of the Collins class for sea duties. "Submarine platform availability remains a major concern," Senator Faulkner said. "Submarines are a critical component of the ADF’s force structure and they perform a wide range of tasks. The government places a very high priority on ensuring that this capability is effective." Senator Faulkner said he would not comment in the detailed operational availability of the Collins boats for security reasons. But he said the DMO review had already recommended some significant organisational changes which were now being implemented, including increased DMO management oversight and scheduling input at ASC in Adelaide, and improved logistic support for both operational submarines and those in long-term maintenance. The Navy will also place senior personnel in Adelaide to work alongside the DMO and ASC. "Significant improvement to submarine availability is vital for the submarine capability, and particularly to Navy’s ability to grow the submarine workforce," Senator Faulkner said. "Like any complex piece of equipment, some unexpected issued and defects occasionally occur that require repairs to be undertaken out side of routine maintenance cycles." "While the current situation is far from ideal, their timely maintenance and repair is vitally important. The safety of the men and women serving aboard them is a paramount consideration." Senator Faulkner said three Collins class boats were currently crewed and in various stages of operating in maintenance cycles. Two of these three boats were in routine maintenance and the other was at ASC for an urgent defect repair. "The remaining three are awaiting longer term docking cycles which involved major overhauls and refurbishment by the original manufacturer, ASC," Senator Faulkner said. The Australian reported today that the navy's $6 billion Collins-class submarines face serious operational restrictions after being hit by a run of crippling mechanical problems and troubling maintenance issues. Some senior engineering experts now contend that the Swedish-supplied Hedemora diesel engines may have to be replaced - a major design and engineering job that could cost hundreds of millions of dollars and take years to complete. So serious are the problems that the Defence Materiel Organisation has put the Collins boats at the top of its list of "projects of concern" - the key equipment issues troubling Australia's Defence leaders. The Australian understands that in recent times only a single Collins-class boat has been available for operational duties but it is unclear whether this involves more than extended training missions. Senior Defence leaders are also vitally concerned about the productivity and efficiency of ASC, the Adelaide-based wholly government-owned builder and maintainer of the Collins class. One senior Defence source characterises the level of concern in senior government ranks about the availability of the Collins submarines as "extreme". In the recent defence white paper, Kevin Rudd announced that the government would double the size of the RAN's submarine fleet from six to 12 when it came to replacing the Collins-class boats from 2025. "If you can't do this right, how do you do the next one," observed one senior Defence source last night. "We spend a lot of money on this core defence capability and they aren't working properly." Defence Minister John Faulkner and Defence Materiel Minister Greg Combet have now demanded monthly updates from the navy and Defence about the operational state of the Collins-class vessels. ASC, the Adelaide-based builder and maintainer of the Collins class, is now working through a range of mechanical issues affecting the performance of the six submarines with the state of the diesel engines a fundamental concern. The trouble-plagued diesel engines are expected to last at least another 15 to 20 years before they are progressively replaced by the planned next-generation submarine from 2025. While ASC believes they can still last the expected life-of-type and has called in a Swiss consultan
 
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Aussiegunneragain       10/31/2009 5:50:11 PM
We all know that journalists often get the detail on Defense matters grossly wrong and sometimes exaggerate, but that doesn't change the fact that their have been massive screw ups that are on the public record which have cost taxpayers a bomb and left us with a submarine fleet that has considerably reduced effectiveness for extended periods of time. Ian McPheredan didn't invent the fact that: the original combat system didn't work and which needed to be replaced at vast expense; the hulls on the early boats had defects that reduce their acoustic performance; the pressure hoses on one of the subs blew out and nearly sunk it, requiring the entire fleet to operate at a shallower depth than would have otherwise the case; and, this latest stuff up with the engines.
Those problems are the result of poor performance on the part of Defence, the ASC and various subcontractors. Irrespective of whether or not McPheradan has gotten a bit too enthusiastic and liberal with the facts at times, he has really done a the Australian public a service in exposing the disgraceful problems with this project over the last decade. I don't know if any heads have rolled over what has happened, but as a taxpayer I hope that a few key staff in these organisations have been assigned to the mail room for the rest of their careers for their roll in it.
 
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gf0012-aust       10/31/2009 7:42:34 PM
but as a taxpayer I hope that a few key staff in these organisations have been assigned to the mail room for the rest of their careers for their roll in it.

to paraphrase "the man from snowy river" - there has been movement at the station with the CEO getting permanent gardening leave - but there are some cultural issues still extant. (snr engineering cadre)
 
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gf0012-aust       10/31/2009 7:54:11 PM

Those problems are the result of poor performance on the part of Defence, the ASC and various subcontractors. 

there's administrative management blood on everyones hands here - no one is exempt from poor business practices.  although it would be more useful if McPhedran could actually make more of an effort in getting the facts right as it contributes to the overall publicity and awareness malaise that floods through the ravines of what is the general publics conciousness...
 
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Aussiegunneragain       10/31/2009 10:43:01 PM


but as a taxpayer I hope that a few key staff in these organisations have been assigned to the mail room for the rest of their careers for their roll in it.

to paraphrase "the man from snowy river" - there has been movement at the station with the CEO getting permanent gardening leave - but there are some cultural issues still extant. (snr engineering cadre)

Good, perhaps they need a few more examples like that set to make it stick in then.

 
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Aussiegunneragain       10/31/2009 10:52:47 PM



Those problems are the result of poor performance on the part of Defence, the ASC and various subcontractors. 


there's administrative management blood on everyones hands here - no one is exempt from poor business practices.  although it would be more useful if McPhedran could actually make more of an effort in getting the facts right as it contributes to the overall publicity and awareness malaise that floods through the ravines of what is the general publics conciousness...
I'd be the last to say that journalists, sub-editors and their media outlets shouldn't strive for the utmost accuracy and I'm definately opposed to sensationalising stories. Good journalism involves collecting and presenting the facts and then letting them speak for themselves. McPheradan's errors of fact and exaggerations smack of laziness, its like he got one good story ten years ago and has tried to make the most out of it every since. However, while this does him no credit the facts about the screw ups that have been an all too familiar part of the Collins Class story do speak themselves.  McPheradan's failings shouldn't be used by people who have an interest in the Collins Class project, to distract us from this reality.
 
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Volkodav       11/1/2009 3:56:01 AM
I have a couple of questions AG.
How much do you think negative press has adversely effected the ability of the RAN to recruit new submariners as well as the moral of serving submariners? 
 
Do you think low moral and being over worked, due to being short staffed, could be a major reason for the difficulty the RAN has retaining submariners?
 
Would you be of the opinion that when an owner / operator of an asset is not in a position to effectively maintain and operate that asset to the degree that they push many of the tasks of ownership, they have not been able to satisfactorily carry out themselves, back onto a contractor, without providing the extra resource need for the tasks, that it would be bad form to then criticize and sanction the contractor for taking too long and costing too much?
 
If ASC is the problem why are so many other programs ASC has nothing to do with, many far less complex that submarines, in serious difficulty?
 
It is a vicious circle AG and at the moment all of the blame is being pushed onto the middle man when there is blame aplenty to be shared.  I know people in subs who should not be in the jobs they are in but I also know CoA persons whose behaviour and professionalism leaves much to be desired and would likely have resulted in severe disciplinary action, if not termination, in private enterprise.
 
At the end of the day ASC is government owned and the DMO is a government body, QED it is the duty of the government of the day to knock their heads together and fix the problem(s).   Cutting the budget and forcing ASC to make a couple of hundred people redundant isn't the solution, do you realy think that the entrenched oxygen thieves are the ones who would be shown the door?  Perhaps, rather, they would protect themselves by sacrificing others (possibly the ones who made them look bad by not towing the line), instead of removing a much smaller number of very highly paid, very long serving and well connected individuals who inspite of their protestations, do very little, if anything of real value?  Could these cuts not actually further degrade ASC's performance by removing a substantial number of effective people leaving fewer to carry and work around the dead wood?
 
I made my escape prior to the current crap but it still makes me extremely angry to see good people knocked for the failings of a handful of Pandas who are having a lovers spat with another gang of Pandas who control the purse strings.  Elements of ASC have gone above and beyond working with the customer, the operators and SME's (Subject Matter Experts) to fix problems not of their making but this is ignored due to the inability of others, with much more power and say, to keep everything else on track.  Sub's don't need a firehose put through them or more audits for that matter, what they need is competent professionals (SME's) to be inserted in all critical areas to mentor those who are worth the effort and to flag those who need to be shot.  Do this and the capability is saved, fail and all is lost, maybe not now but eventually.
 
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Volkodav       11/12/2009 2:54:47 AM
Woo hoo, things are looking up, the super and pension funds have recovered remarkably well in the last quarter and fingers crossed the recently re-employed "dead wood / road blocks" will now re-retire letting the guys who know what needs to be done do it!
 
I now have much higher hopes for a great many projects.
 
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hairy man       11/12/2009 5:12:14 PM
I hate to say it but there is always a good chance that the wrong ones will retire, those who are sick of seeing the "deadwood" types getting paid for their poor contribution, etc.
 
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gf0012-aust       11/13/2009 1:35:09 AM

I now have much higher hopes for a great many projects.

combet gave his view of the world today and it was quite impressive - unfort it was class as an in-confidence session so can't repeat.

the good thing is that ASC have got a decent bloke at the helm with Kim Gilles.  you scored a winner

 
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Volkodav       11/13/2009 2:30:56 AM
Oh, hadn't heard anything as of 4:30 this arvo, can you give me any info on him?  He's not the Bae guy they were talking about is he?
 
I, along with others, have been getting a little frustrated at the number of retired "old mates" who had been parachuted into high paying contract, consultancy and even management positions since the GFC clipped their wings.  They seem dead set determined to force us to repeat every mistake they made on earlier projects rather than simply learn from their failures and move on to better solutions, and thats the better ones.  Far to many of them are still in retirement mode and really don't give a stuff, just going through the paces and collecting their ridiculous salaries for the minimum of effort.  You can see it in their eyes during meetings and working groups, they really don't want to be there and the solutions they are looking for are band aids to keep them in gravy until their super recovers.
 
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