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gf0012-aust 6/15/2009 7:48:19 PM

as per the title. I thought I'd create a dump spot for some theoretical discussions

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gf0012-aust down memory lane - Ikara 6/15/2009 7:55:38 PM

all the chatter about Ikara has started me thinking as to how in the current ASW climate, where a lot of navies are relearning

the art, that platforms like a modified Ikara would have merit in being lazarused rather than travel down the new gen solutuions which the vendors are quite happy to flog off in the vain hope of geek sucker punching people. :)

eg a modified Ikara could quite reasonably be fitted out with:

Mk50 CBASS mod (quad processors, database, smarts for discrimination, smarts for killing. A better solution (IMO) than the Mu90

add in new digitised fire control, the new conformal SAR search capabilities and you'd have a nice little hunter-killer torpedo solution for the skimmers.

new booster tech could also mean longer range, greater payload (out with the torpex and in with the new!)

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Herald12345 6/15/2009 10:19:07 PM

all the chatter about Ikara has started me thinking as to how in the current ASW climate, where a lot of navies are relearning

the art, that platforms like a modified Ikara would have merit in being lazarused rather than travel down the new gen solutions which the vendors are quite happy to flog off in the vain hope of geek sucker punching people. :)

eg a modified Ikara could quite reasonably be fitted out with:

Mk50 CBASS mod (quad processors, database, smarts for discrimination, smarts for killing. A better solution (IMO) than the Mu90

add in new digitised fire control, the new conformal SAR search capabilities and you'd have a nice little hunter-killer torpedo solution for the skimmers.

new booster tech could also mean longer range, greater payload (out with the torpex and in with the new!)

This makes sense if you need to get something out there is a hurry as in right now, if you see him coming or of you are in a threat environment where you are fighting for your life against cruise missiles and have to prosecute an inshore sub too and you can't get off the helo. I wonder if you want to use the strapback carrier or the inline booster approach. Obviously if you use the strapback you could be looking at a rocket boosted Kerkanya type torpedo carrier, which suits me just fine since that can be launched off the rail or dropped from a Heinenman interface. in a hurry if you needed to get it our there, (The silly thing should be droppable from everything from a Super Hornet as well as from a P-8 or fired off an "Ikara II" launcher. All you need is some way to get the torpedo CLOSE and slow it down when it enters the water.

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gf0012-aust 6/15/2009 11:14:24 PM

All you need is some way to get the torpedo CLOSE and slow it down when it enters the water.

No need to slow down the torpedo on re-entry now. The gent who developed cavitating weapons in the west now works in Australia :)

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Aussiegunneragain 6/16/2009 7:33:47 AM

I personally don't understand why they ever stopped using Ikara and other ASW missiles, though I heard once that it is because detection ranges against modern DE's are so short that it isn't worth having a weapon that doesn't drop from a helo with its own sonar or the ship itself. I would have thought however that if we networked the sonarbouys dropped from P-3's/P-8's/Helo's/UAV's into the ships fire control system, that a rejuvenated ASW missile system would be the sh1t to exploit the long range precision detection capability.

On another note, I never understood what use light weight torpedos were on a surface ship when they faced heavy weights on a sub that have three or four times the range. Is it something to do with the sub needing to launch from close enough that the enemy won't have time to detect the torpedo's engine and triangulate back to the subs position?

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Volkodav 6/16/2009 8:06:58 AM

Super Ikara was a longer range canister launched version with folding wing that was originally co-developed with Oto Melara and then BAE before being cancelled in 1986.

Oto Melara bailed to concentrate on Milas.

Anyone know what happened to VLASROC?

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StevoJH 6/16/2009 9:11:09 AM

Super Ikara was a longer range canister launched version with folding wing that was originally co-developed with Oto Melara and then BAE before being cancelled in 1986.

Oto Melara bailed to concentrate on Milas.

Anyone know what happened to VLASROC?

I thought it was in service, fairly sure that Japanese ASW Carrier is supposed to carry a few.

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Herald12345 We are building it. 6/16/2009 9:14:44 AM

Super Ikara was a longer range canister launched version with folding wing that was originally co-developed with Oto Melara and then BAE before being cancelled in 1986.

Oto Melara bailed to concentrate on Milas.

Anyone know what happened to VLASROC?

It needs a better front end to take insertion shock. Hence the comment on the slow and drop.

Herald

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gf0012-aust 6/16/2009 6:04:51 PM

It needs a better front end to take insertion shock. Hence the comment on the slow and drop.

there's a bit of data that can be pulled out of progs like RAMICs re this. (well, all the data done by the company prior to them getting screwed by the USN and then the USN subsequently stuffing up for a few years because they stuffed up the data)

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benellim4 6/16/2009 7:55:14 PM

Mk50 CBASS? Do you mean Mk54 CBASS?

As for the VLASROC, it's alive and kicking, and being upgraded.

Why the dislike for the MU90?

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gf0012-aust 6/16/2009 8:34:07 PM

Mk50 CBASS? Do you mean Mk54 CBASS?

Typo, I was referring to migrating CBASS technology into the smaller weapons solution

Why the dislike for the MU90?

No dislike for it. It was an issue that it would be far easier to migrate CBASS into a defacto related system from the same source country than go through potential integration and development issues with a new "host sourced" weapons system.

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