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Subject: WTF - $43 billion bucks spent to improve porn download rates?!?!
Aussiegunneragain    4/7/2009 3:26:13 AM
So now that we are heading towards a recession with the prospect of a $100 billion dollar deficit over the next 4 years, our Dear Leader has decided to quadtriple the size of the National Broadband Network project to $43 billion bucks. Originally the project was "only" going to cost $9b, with $4.5b coming from the Government, but now the $4.5b will just be an initial payment. How much is the taxpayer going to end up paying for this monsterous white elephant of a project, $20b plus? WTF are people going to use all that bandwidth for anyway ... surely if the demand was really there then business would build it of its own accord? I don't know about you lot but don't want my taxes being flushed down the toilet by a Government making the old mistake of trying to pick winners. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Broadband price rise tipped under $43b plan Posted 2 hours 50 minutes ago Updated 2 hours 17 minutes ago Massive project: analysts are astonished at the upfront cost. (Reuters: Hannibal Hanschke, file photo) Video: PM announces broadband scheme (ABC News) Audio: Market rocked by Government announcement (The World Today) Audio: Press conference: Kevin Rudd unveils broadband plan (ABC News) Audio: Opposition slams Government plan (The World Today) Audio: Federal Government ditches broadband policy (The World Today) Audio: Tanner takes critics to task (The World Today) Audio: Dr Bill Glasson on the Government's national broadband network plan (ABC News) Related Story: Broadband plan 'a massive broken promise' Related Story: Rudd redraws broadband landscape Related Story: Tas gets first 'byte' at new broadband Related Story: Broadband network 'must accommodate rural needs' Related Story: Telstra defies downward market trend Related Story: Phone lines restored in NT Related Story: Disappointment over national broadband plan Related Link: Factbox: Key points about national broadband network Market analysts say broadband prices are likely to rise, after the Government unveiled an amibitious new $43 billion plan to build a national fibre-to-the-home broadband network. Prime Minister Kevin Rudd has scrapped the broadband tender process in favour of forming a public/private company to build and operate a network which will cost over four times the amount of the original $9.4b proposal. Mr Rudd says the network will take eight years to build and give 90 per cent of Australian households download speeds 100 times faster than they currently experience. The 10 per cent of homes not covered by fibre-to-the-home will get upgraded wireless access. But analysts are astonished at the upfront cost and say they have concerns about the network's commercial viability. "I've got no idea what's driving the Government to do this," Ivor Ries, an analyst with EL and C Baillieu Stockbroking, says. "They're saying a network that will deliver 100 megabits per second, that would exceed current household consumption by a factor of 100 times. "[That] allows you to download several channels of television at the same time. "[So] what it will do is create a market for people selling downloads to homes - people selling movies for downloads to homes will obviously be big winners from this. "But is it going to provide some sort of magic shot in the arm to productivity? Probably not." Mr Ries says the new network is only financially viable if 80 per cent of Australians choose the access provided by the new cables rather than wireless internet access. "If they get only 60 per cent of the population using it, and people preferring wireless over this new cable, then the monthly access fee they're going to have to charge people will be prohibitive," he warned. "At the moment the average Australian household is spending about $40 a month on accessing the internet. "Whereas this proposal will require the average household to be paying somewhere round about $75-85 a month. "So you're talking there about a $35 to $45 a month increase in the cost of basic access for the average household." BBY Stockbroking senior analyst Mark McDonnell says it is hard to see how the private sector could make a return on such an expensive project, unless broadband prices rise significantly. "It's both audacious and paradoxical," he said. "The paradox being that if you can't find private sector support for a proposition around building a fibre-to-the-node network which might have cost $10 to $15 billion, let's up the ante and make it $43 billion and still ask for private sector support. "How's that going to happen?" But telecommunications analyst Paul Budde says Australians are getting top-level technology without waiting for a commercial company to provide it, even if home use will only be part of the new network. "You have to look at it in a totally different situation," he said. "You talk about the use of the infrastructure; not just for internet. You talk ab
 
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AMTP10F       5/24/2009 4:25:20 AM

That's if you can find an available secure teleconferencing facility in Russell. Then there is the problem of secure teleconferencing facilities for all the other participants. Then, even if everyone does have it, then the reliability of the facilities is bloody awful. If I had a dollar for every time we've had meetings interrupted or called off due to equipment failure I'd be a rich man.


Exactly why FTTH is the right way to go. While wireless, ADSL and even dial up may suit many private individuals government and buisiness needs the greater speed and volume. FTTH isn't just about letting teenagers download music videos faster it is the benefits it will provide to business, government and education that will be the real pay off.

Uh... we have fiber networks. No point having big fat pipes if the really important gear and other inputs are crap. Anyone who has logged onto the DRN can tell you fiber networks does not mean a faster network.
 
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BLUIE006       5/24/2009 4:37:00 AM

"So the only way I see it, to replace our beloved Pig's is to either build brand new ones, or buy a Carrier, so that our air combat assets can be in theatre, without having to worry too much about long range tankering. (See war scenario's above)."

 

I had a REALLY long reply to this, typed out, but I've decided not to bother. You might as well wish for ADF to build a Death Star.

 

The F-111's are gone and will be replaced by Super Hornets. Super Hornets will be replaced by F-35 after 2020. We won't be getting a carrier and we will be lucky if we even ever get an enhanced tanking capability.


 

End of story.


 

Next!



It is possible that by 2020; there might be the prospect of a genuine hypersonic replacement to the F-111!
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Australia's work on the development may make it an "affordable" option (see GF's recent post)
 
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Aussiegunneragain       5/24/2009 5:19:32 AM

well, we've been directed to teleconference rather than fly, so no more trips to perth or potts point for me.. :)
 
I still get to go to WA but then again you cant do everything by teleconference. The thing is though meetings and reviews can actually be more efficiently conducted in this manner not just because of the savings in airfares but the reductions of hours (often days) lost in travelling interstate for meetings.
 
The faster the connection the more you can do in a given time and the more uses you will find to use the connection for. 

We seem to manage just fine with our current teleconferencing facilities. The biggest problem is that during daylight saving times there are only two hours in the middle of the day when everybody can be on without working out of hours, which the Commonwealth PS's inevitably end up being the ones to do. 
 
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Aussiegunneragain       5/25/2009 5:36:11 AM




well, we've been directed to teleconference rather than fly, so no more trips to perth or potts point for me.. :)

 

I still get to go to WA but then again you cant do everything by teleconference. The thing is though meetings and reviews can actually be more efficiently conducted in this manner not just because of the savings in airfares but the reductions of hours (often days) lost in travelling interstate for meetings.

 

The faster the connection the more you can do in a given time and the more uses you will find to use the connection for. 






We seem to manage just fine with our current teleconferencing facilities. The biggest problem is that during daylight saving times there are only two hours in the middle of the day when everybody can be on without working out of hours, which the Commonwealth PS's inevitably end up being the ones to do. 



Oops, brainphart ... I meant 5 hours after lunch.
 
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