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Subject: Forces must be up-to-date, says PM
Enterpriser    9/9/2008 10:17:20 AM
By Adam Gartrell September 09, 2008 10:09pm Article from: AAPFont size: + - Send this article: Print Email AUSTRALIA'S armed forced must be better equipped to deal with new security threats associated with Asia's booming economies and expanding militaries, says Prime Minister Kevin Rudd. Addressing the RSL National Congress tonight, Mr Rudd said Asia could be home to the largest and most dynamic economies in the world by 2020, posing new strategic risks for Australia. "In short, we have a rapidly changing region, but one still characterised by a number of unresolved flashpoints arising from unsettled territorial disputes," Mr Rudd said. "As nations grow and become more affluent, they also update their military forces. "We need to be aware of the changes taking place. "And we must make sure that we have the right mix of capabilities to deal with any contingencies that might arise in the future." The modernisation of Asia's military forces was characterised by significant improvements in air combat and naval capabilities, Mr Rudd said. Australia had to be at the forefront of military technology development and acquisition, he said. "Our armed forces must be equipped to deal with the emerging security environment," he said. "We need a first rate and flexible land force - one capable of taking on challenges from contributing to high-end military engagements through to delivering post-conflict reconstruction support. "We need an enhanced naval capability that can protect our sea lanes of communication and support our land forces as they deploy. "And we need an air force that can fill support and combat roles and can deter, defeat and provide assistance to land and maritime forces." The government will soon release Australia's first National Security Statement, which will set out how the country will approach national security challenges in the coming decades. A Defence White Paper is also due later this year. During his speech, Mr Rudd announced Australian Electoral Commissioner Ian Campbell had been appointed secretary of the Department of Veterans Affairs. Tried showing this to Dad......thought it might have been a good sign. Dad laughed at me and said that it was violently at varience with the fiscal picture and the textbook definition of cognitive dissonance. Brett.
 
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fall out       9/9/2008 9:53:18 PM
For an increase in military spending and capability surely this would be a good sign, the white paper will be where the particulars will be...considering what he's said and let's say hypothetically this is followed up what could it mean for the ADF and it's capability?
 
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Enterpriser       9/9/2008 11:23:57 PM

For an increase in military spending and capability surely this would be a good sign, the white paper will be where the particulars will be...considering what he's said and let's say hypothetically this is followed up what could it mean for the ADF and it's capability?



Normally, I would have said that it probably translates to the old Aircraft and Submarines Labor approach. However, two things make me hesitant to say that just yet:
 
1) Kevin was talking about the need for Balanced forces (Army comments were specifically made), and
 
2) Kevin was shown near a port talking about SLOC which normally makes a surface fleet more likely (As subs cannot perform this role)
 
Brett.
 
 
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StevoJH       9/10/2008 4:16:38 AM



For an increase in military spending and capability surely this would be a good sign, the white paper will be where the particulars will be...considering what he's said and let's say hypothetically this is followed up what could it mean for the ADF and it's capability?








Normally, I would have said that it probably translates to the old Aircraft and Submarines Labor approach. However, two things make me hesitant to say that just yet:

 

1) Kevin was talking about the need for Balanced forces (Army comments were specifically made), and

 

2) Kevin was shown near a port talking about SLOC which normally makes a surface fleet more likely (As subs cannot perform this role)

 

Brett.

 

Not to mention that the RAN would be more likely to find crews for additional surface ships then they would be for additional Submarines.

 
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Volkodav       9/10/2008 4:23:33 AM
Specific mention has been made of the increasing submarine threat.
 
Would that suggest that we will see an increase in hull numbers with the Anzacs and FFG's being replaced with dedicated ASW Frigates inconjuction with an increase in Helo numbers?
 
Is there a chance we could even see a couple of Hyuga class destroyers/helo carriers in the mix?
 
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gf0012-aust       9/10/2008 4:36:30 AM



For an increase in military spending and capability surely this would be a good sign, the white paper will be where the particulars will be...considering what he's said and let's say hypothetically this is followed up what could it mean for the ADF and it's capability?




Normally, I would have said that it probably translates to the old Aircraft and Submarines Labor approach. However, two things make me hesitant to say that just yet:
 
1) Kevin was talking about the need for Balanced forces (Army comments were specifically made), and
 
2) Kevin was shown near a port talking about SLOC which normally makes a surface fleet more likely (As subs cannot perform this role)
 
Brett.
 

Brett, I wouldn't be holding your breath if I was you....
 
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Enterpriser       9/10/2008 5:06:56 AM







For an increase in military spending and capability surely this would be a good sign, the white paper will be where the particulars will be...considering what he's said and let's say hypothetically this is followed up what could it mean for the ADF and it's capability?










Normally, I would have said that it probably translates to the old Aircraft and Submarines Labor approach. However, two things make me hesitant to say that just yet:

 


1) Kevin was talking about the need for Balanced forces (Army comments were specifically made), and

 


2) Kevin was shown near a port talking about SLOC which normally makes a surface fleet more likely (As subs cannot perform this role)

 


Brett.

 





Brett, I wouldn't be holding your breath if I was you....


I know what you mean.......and definately not from our Manchurian Candidate.
 
Brett.
 
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VGNTMH       9/10/2008 7:17:25 AM

Is there a chance we could even see a couple of Hyuga class destroyers/helo carriers in the mix?


Yes please!
Helicopter carriers (read CVEs), Naval helicopters with dipping sonar, a few F-35Bs, an AEW solution, some RQ-4Bs, and some AESA/ESSM air defense equipped surface ships - the perfect recipe for forward deployable, useful SLOC protection!
 
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Aussie Diggermark 2       9/10/2008 8:29:07 AM
Talk is pretty cheap.
 
I'll be amazed if the Navy is ANY stronger because of the new White Paper. I hold little less hope for the rest of ADF. 
 
So far they've announced one single platform capability enhancement that I can recall, the AP-3C CAP1 upgrade and even this was programmed under the previous DCP.
 
The only thing they HAVE done is cancel plenty of extent ADF capability...
 


 
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Enterpriser       9/10/2008 8:46:38 AM

Talk is pretty cheap.

 

I'll be amazed if the Navy is ANY stronger because of the new White Paper. I hold little less hope for the rest of ADF. 

 

So far they've announced one single platform capability enhancement that I can recall, the AP-3C CAP1 upgrade and even this was programmed under the previous DCP.


 

The only thing they HAVE done is cancel plenty of extent ADF capability...

 








Absolutely. Stories abound. :(
 
With any luck I am going to see the C-17s up close and personal tomorrow and was planing to ask some quiet questions about the opinions in the Squadron on the A/C and on getting more. I think I know the answer both accounts already though.
 
Brett.
 
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Aussiegunneragain    Thoughts   9/11/2008 1:15:59 AM
At least Rudd's foriegn policy focus seems to have given him a clue that we need a functoning defence force. It will be interesting to see whether words translate into action though, or whether they will prove to be symbolic and half arsed like everything else his government is doing.
 
Those people talking about how we should be gearing our defence forces to tackle China are missing a major point. If we were to be invoved in a conflict with a nuclear power in the absence of US protection, we would be f*cked, with no amount of conventional spending would make any difference. If our strategic reality changed that much our spending would need to be directed at going nuclear.
 
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