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Subject: Arguments for and against PZH 2000
BLUIE006    7/14/2008 8:40:04 AM
Despite my previous support for the K9 Thunder , the current fuel crisis has changed my assessment, as we know the K9 requires two vehicles , and carriers only 48 shots compared to the PZH (60) this means that K9 system would require more diesel/fuel* for an additional vehicle and more aviation fuel to resupply. Havent crunch the numbers but.... common sense!!! suggests .... that This means that the potential cost savings of purchasing a cheap market dominate system over a high end system are negated …. Thoughts?
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ArtyEngineer       7/15/2008 12:21:47 PM
Its German (Some stereotypes are true - Its a well engineered piece of gear)
Has excellent firing capabilities - Range, Accuracy, RoF etc. 
Has operational data to help with understanding logistical and mainentance burden - (Dutch in Afghanistan)
Big and Heavy - not an expeditionary or rapid deployment system.
Maintenance burden "Rumoured" to be high.  Cant substantiate, just what I hear.
Needs integration with AFATDS (Advanced Field Artillery Targeting and Direction System) scope of work to do this unknown to me.
Required integration work to shoot Excalibur Munition - Scope unknown (May be significant)
Just some quick thoughts from me.  I am a huge fan of that piece of gear however and I hope that it is selected.
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gf0012-aust       7/15/2008 4:28:07 PM
I've only seen  a static Pz but was impressed with its build quality.  The same feeling didn't travel through the loins for the K9.
I'd prefer to the Pz for a number of reasons, incl the fact that we interact at a tech level with the germans quite a bit - I'd like to see that cemented further

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1stcohort2       7/16/2008 1:46:46 AM
So any possible date tag on what we will select and the exact number we will likely procure?
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gf0012-aust       7/16/2008 3:12:36 AM

So any possible date tag on what we will select and the exact number we will likely procure?

with the current knobs on the Hill?  everyone is gearing up to say "bang" once they cut training again.
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Volkodav       7/16/2008 8:30:32 AM
I understand that there are some concerns over the safety of the horizontal stowage of projectiles and chages in the K-9
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Archer 155mm       7/17/2008 12:20:23 AM
The  way things are looking, the plan for a SPH for Army may be a dream rather than a plan.
Would not surprise me if it was replaced  with only an M777 buy or maybe just an upgrade of the M-198s.
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