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Subject: Obama is easily re-elected over republican Newt Gingrich and independent Charles Crist in 3-way rac
SYSOP    8/9/2010 7:33:03 AM
Obama is easily re-elected over republican Newt Gingrich and independent Charles Crist in 3-way race. Obama morphs into a center-right pol. Avails himself of a foil of a 2 year Republican majority.by successfully claiming two parties in control are better than one.
 
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ker    Yes we can...BUT...   10/29/2010 12:22:03 PM
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Two toughest years since the great depresion??? Are we the people we have been waiting for??? Weve done some thingssome folks dont even know about. Are you planning a surprise party for us filled with jobs and healthcare??? Did he think that Steward was Mathews but with veiwers???Are you gona curce? The distance between what you ran on and what you delivered??? Audacity? Great leaders lead? As significant a pease of legeslation we have seen in this nations history?  I dont mean to lump you in with other presidents.  but  Papered over a fondation that is corupt? That I think is fair. Emergancy quick with process not transformit. Did you just invite me??? Over night we did not transform the healthcare. LOL Well when you put it that way it seams so petty.  Frustration you created, Lary Somers seams like the exact same person??? Reallity hit you in the face when you steped in??? Larry Sumers did a heck of a job! Dude??? Pun intended???? Unemployment??? Before we got here. There are folks who feel we have not achived the ideal. Please be polight??? If we make row by row progress we are ttrue to that campaine. Pragmatist??? Yes we can BUT.....   ROFLOL  Dose goverment still work???  Senate Distracting not so much. We rank up with any legeslative session in history. Energy, imigration didnt get done. Jobs didnt get done. Vote!!! 
 
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ker    Wip Lash   11/8/2010 10:28:17 PM
Laurance Odonald, host of MSNBC's last word, was talking on Morning Joe on 11-5.  Quotes are his.
 
"You half to pass these things as a big ugly package because it is a big ugly package. Once you [ or House GOP] start isolating the elements it becomes easyer to take them out."   That is to say that O Care was broccoli and cheese that a mom gives her kid to trick them into eating vegitables.  The kid sucks the cheese sause off and trashes the broccoli.  The cheese sause is the new intitalments- the delivarables- kids staying on moms insurance until their 26. The broccoli is illusion this plan would ever lower cost.  That's O's national diet plan, cheese sause with broccoli garnish.  Cost savings never cost so much. 
 
He called Pelosi a failure.  She was an image liability to party and lost the house.  90% of legeslative victorys went nowhere with cap and trade.  I like to call cap and trade, kill and inslave.  Too harsh? 
 
Odonald, "Your job is to keep the majority. Expecialy for a thing like health care. This is a horificly complicated bill that needs constant maintainance. ....  The Democrates now can not do the maintainance. They built this thing that has a very bad desighn to it. They need to maintain it [rewrite parts] constantly.  Now they can't. Thank you Nancy Pelosi."
 
See why I called it a broken trophy.  Odonald said a Medicare for all plan could have done much better.  He also said that Pelosi repeated her promise that passing the bill the voters didn't like was going to win votes for the party.
 
"Librals amuse me. I'm a socilist. I live to the extream left extream left [sic] of you librals!"
 
"The only way you have a charman Barny Franks. There is only one way. That's by electing blue dogs. It's the only way you have a Speaker Pelosi!"  "You do not live in a country that thinks the way you do.  I [Odonald] don't eather."
 
His argument was based on some math. 20% America libral and 41% conservative.  I think that to win librals need 3/4th of rest to make it to 50%. Conservatives just need 1/4 of people who are neather libral or conservative to have 51% of electorite.  To make things worce the many librals are bunched up together in uban areas in big states.  So they aren't distributed efficently for house districts-they waiste libral votes running up the score for Pelosi and Rangel.  Big state voters make smaller impact in Senate because of the great compromise which the small state demanded before joining the union. 
 
What if the GOP can convince the voters that the Blue Dog scam isn't tolarable.  Blue dogs are charming like all members and they have the local accent of speach.  They like puppys and children.  They only vote for Pelosi when it matters.  Lots of the time they creat the illusion of voting againster her in votes she sets up for that purpuse.  You can do that when your the Speaker. 
 
So the next time some future Ralm Emanual come along finding local auxiliaries to fight for the hard core Sanfransisco or Manhattin left the voters may be less gulibal even if the would be blue dog hunts and drives an SUV.  When the Democrates are saying they might not even vote for their partys speaker they know the gambit isn't working any more.  [end Odonald responce]
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Obama's got a swagger like W's just more "I'm smarter than you" and less "I just a country boy who knows what's wrong and what's right."  The left love O's swager as much as they hated W's. 
 
O has explained to the people why their disloayalty to him is unfair.  Emergeancy messures were mistaken as part of his agenda.  He didn't want to own GM.  Dispite Emanuals counsel to the contrayer O let those emergencys go to waist and did not explote they to further his agenda.  We should like him more because of that he claims.
 
O. "People started looking at this [Ocare and rest of agenda] and it felt like goverment was getting much more intrusive into peoples lives than they were accustom too."  If it happened slower it might have worked.
O said he had promised a change in style of goverment and then droped it because of his need for speed in getting his emergancy agenda through.  McCarthyism was an emergancy messure but Dems don't forgive it. 
 
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ker    Wip lash II   11/9/2010 2:36:32 PM
"He's still one of us."  Bumper sticker for defeated Dem member of congress. Quote is lose.
 
"What we have here is a failure to communicate." Cool Hand Luke
O is in process of explaining to us that he has been doing a poor job of explaining him self to us.  He did make some gaffs and as a result got shy about speaking his heart on camers.   
 
The more important com failure was O failure to listen to the people.  His unwillingness to communicate about his ineffective listning is what drives his communication about his failure to explain him self.  If you fail it is important that you be the one to explain it and there by protect your ability to keep doing what you want.  And fail again.
 
O, "just get it done rather than worry about how getting it done.  That was a problem." Yes it was and it was also quite a reversal compaired to how O promised to lead.
 
O, "When your campaining I think your liberated to say things with out thinking about how am I going to practicly implement them."  That campain that O ran was moving and based on illusions about how world worked. O belived his own press and his own attack ads.  It lead to a chain of rude awakening.  We have not reached the end of that chain.
 
O, it's "important for people to remember is that this country dosn't just agree with the New Your Times editorial page."  Really? Did you figure that out all on your own? Did it happen after you were in the oval? No one mentioned that to you in those elite schools or the Chicogo south side?  Really? Quotes from 60min interveiw.
 
John Steward, "How bad has it gotten when the Democrates half to send former president Bill Clinton to campain against other Democrates?"
 
The Dems who don't come from one party urban cantons are thinking about how to recruit canidates who can win in the other 80% of the country next time.  The GOP still have Nancy, Harry and O to kick around. Shoot to wound it makes the enemy very tired. This cycal was the "coup de main" and next cycal looks tragic.  Would you want to run the national Dem senate committee?  Their up in Montaina, ND, MO, NE, VA, FL, the industrial mid west. Seeing a picture forming here?  What if we localize the elections?
 
"The prospect of running against their [Dem canidates for house] own party leadership in addition to their Republican opponents is simply too daunting" is the chatter from swing state press leaks.  How do you recruit Dem canidates who will shoot guns at Dems agenda in their campain ads and then organize with the Dems.  And if the next cycals self financing canidates in blue states run as independents it's worce.  Why be Witman and Fareana in CA, when you can be Bloomburg in NY? If the toss up seats can go to real independents it hurts Dems more than Republicans because because of the 20/41 split between librales and conservatives.
 
If you had to chose between leaving the Senate (or house) or leaving the Democratic party which would you chose?  You don't become moderate by using the word "moderate" 15 times in a 60 second TV interveiw.  You become a moderate by goring your own partys ox. This means you Clair McCascal. 
 
The the race to be the most independent member of the Dem cacuse in the Senate is on.
 
Obama and Bainer are staging to fight over who gets to frame the other one for being the reason goverment dosn't inspire awe.  This is not the fight that O is equiped for.  Punishing GOP for not making the trains run on time isn't what the career making, we are not red states or blue states speach was about.  Clinton had natural AR stlye and lots of experience tangoing with hostal conservatives.  O has elilte style and lots of experience living in the NY Times Editorial page.
 
O is working on his com skills.
 
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ker    Latex Blues   12/1/2010 10:14:05 PM
O, I should have reached out to you [Republican] guys more.
Republican guys, What no bow?
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Strangers on a plane group grope for securety.  At least they can say they tried.
Wouldn't public transit be wonderful if it weren't for the regimentation? 
Lets say it was another ocward policy roll out.  Inspire magazine didn't mind.  It help their branding exercise around "Oporation Hemarage."
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Worst person in the world jurnalism continues.  That where you select the movement or tradition that you don't like.  Then you pick the biggest jerk in that movement and pretend they are the whole show.  Make the entire argument about the person you have selected to be the dunce.  So what if Glen Beck is a televangelist in the bad sence of that word.  Flinging buggers at him dosn't solve problems.
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Dr. Brzezinski on his daughters morning show.  "but there is a bit of a problem in that I think there is still a disconect between the presidents, in my veiw sound ideas regarding America in the 21st centuary in general.... and the accual stratigic translation of these veiws into policy. .... [there] isn't the degree of self assertion and clear diretion.."  Iran, Korea and Israel were named as examples of Obamas lack of assertion and direction. "Problem in way general ideas translate in to meaningful policy and that translates into some uncertenty internationaly about the deciivness of American leadership..."
 
When Carters National Security Adviser calls you out for leadership that "translates into some uncertainty" your getting your ass kicked.
 
The new type of leadership is a lack of leadership. O's general ideas, dispite Dr. Brzezinski aproving of them, are not translatable into the concreat.  They are only critisim.  Mostly only utopian bugger flinging at W. It's like we handed a guitar to a music critic.  If Simon Cowell dosn't like Cold Play or Toby Keith that dosn't mean that he should get a record deal. 
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Now there are American soldiers who enjoy same sex and there are gay activists who focuse on militairy afairs.  I would like to hear them talk to each other when they don't know I'm listening.  I'm curious what they would say.  For all the talk of diversity by the political left they don't like the idea that one of their captive demografics could be less than 100% in suport the party line.  They say that Cubans can't be latinos because they vote Republican.  This raise the question about when sexual orentation organizing crosses the line into political organizing.  Flagging personel files for failure to promote diversity???  Once you can count it you can reward and punish it.
 
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