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Subject: Joint Greek/Turkish Aegean Oil Venture.
2 Eagle    1/10/2008 1:54:50 PM
Consider the benefits, both political, economical and potentially military of these two countries putting aside their differences and developing the known oil deposits in the Aegean. Questions: 1) How would the oil revenues change the current status quo? 2) Would a union of Turkey and Greece produce a regional superpower, with the oil revenues? 3) Would both countires agree to share the revenues?
 
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kane       1/11/2008 10:04:40 AM
Well that would be a great thing but very unlikely.....and as I know Venezelos asked about union of Turkey and Greece in the past?
 
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2 Eagle       1/11/2008 11:12:00 AM

Well that would be a great thing but very unlikely.....and as I know Venezelos asked about union of Turkey and Greece in the past?

Yes, unlikely, but where large amounts of money are involved, possible. Oil  revenues could smooth over many old animosities and the venture itself could bring both countries closer together. It's easier to like someone if you are making money together and your lot is improving. Besides, this could lead to many other possibilities. My thinking was that it could be such a good thing for everyone concerned and that it is possible. As things stand now they may come to blows over oil rights in the Aegean.
 
I was not aware that Venizelos had asked about union with Turkey.  Why did he do that?
 
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2 Eagle       1/11/2008 1:06:51 PM



Well that would be a great thing but very unlikely.....and as I know Venezelos asked about union of Turkey and Greece in the past?


Yes, unlikely, but where large amounts of money are involved, possible. Oil  revenues could smooth over many old animosities and the venture itself could bring both countries closer together. It's easier to like someone if you are making money together and your lot is improving. Besides, this could lead to many other possibilities. My thinking was that it could be such a good thing for everyone concerned and that it is possible. As things stand now they may come to blows over oil rights in the Aegean.

 

I was not aware that Venizelos had asked about union with Turkey.  Why did he do that?



 
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2 Eagle       1/11/2008 1:10:58 PM

Well that would be a great thing but very unlikely.....and as I know Venezelos asked about union of Turkey and Greece in the past?

I have tried to find where Venizelos asked about a union with Turkey, but could not. Could you please direct me to your source? Thanks.
 
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2 Eagle       1/12/2008 8:09:33 PM



Well that would be a great thing but very unlikely.....and as I know Venezelos asked about union of Turkey and Greece in the past?


I have tried to find where Venizelos asked about a union with Turkey, but could not. Could you please direct me to your source? Thanks.


Kane: You made a statement but haven't backed it with anything yet. Anyway why would anything that Venizelos said, if he said it, (he died in 1936) have any bearing on todays situation?
 
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kane       1/13/2008 8:36:53 AM






Well that would be a great thing but very unlikely.....and as I know Venezelos asked about union of Turkey and Greece in the past?



I have tried to find where Venizelos asked about a union with Turkey, but could not. Could you please direct me to your source? Thanks.



Kane: You made a statement but haven't backed it with anything yet. Anyway why would anything that Venizelos said, if he said it, (he died in 1936) have any bearing on todays situation?


I am aware of that..I don't have any solid proof.I just wanted mention that.If I can find a proof I'll put it here.If not it would have been good, what I heard was that Venizelos and Atatürk talked about a union(in a confedarative way)
It has nothing to do with today....and it would have been more possible back then though
 
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2 Eagle       1/13/2008 11:36:46 AM












Well that would be a great thing but very unlikely.....and as I know Venezelos asked about union of Turkey and Greece in the past?




I have tried to find where Venizelos asked about a union with Turkey, but could not. Could you please direct me to your source? Thanks.




Kane: You made a statement but haven't backed it with anything yet. Anyway why would anything that Venizelos said, if he said it, (he died in 1936) have any bearing on todays situation?




I am aware of that..I don't have any solid proof.I just wanted mention that.If I can find a proof I'll put it here.If not it would have been good, what I heard was that Venizelos and Atatürk talked about a union(in a confedarative way)
It has nothing to do with today....and it would have been more possible back then though

Thanks for your reply.
You know, I think I picked a subject with little interest to the members. That's so unfortunate because peace is the flip side of war...the other side of the coin and no one seems interested in peace, just war.  I'm new, as you know, and I went back and reviewed many of the previous threads. Lots of unabashed hatred, name calling, whatever. I did not see one thread about peace. What's wrong with you people? Are you mostly very young and very nationalistic?
 
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kane       1/13/2008 4:12:11 PM

















Well that would be a great thing but very unlikely.....and as I know Venezelos asked about union of Turkey and Greece in the past?





I have tried to find where Venizelos asked about a union with Turkey, but could not. Could you please direct me to your source? Thanks.





Kane: You made a statement but haven't backed it with anything yet. Anyway why would anything that Venizelos said, if he said it, (he died in 1936) have any bearing on todays situation?





I am aware of that..I don't have any solid proof.I just wanted mention that.If I can find a proof I'll put it here.If not it would have been good, what I heard was that Venizelos and Atatürk talked about a union(in a confedarative way)
It has nothing to do with today....and it would have been more possible back then though


Thanks for your reply.

You know, I think I picked a subject with little interest to the members. That's so unfortunate because peace is the flip side of war...the other side of the coin and no one seems interested in peace, just war.  I'm new, as you know, and I went back and reviewed many of the previous threads. Lots of unabashed hatred, name calling, whatever. I did not see one thread about peace. What's wrong with you people? Are you mostly very young and very nationalistic?


Yeah well both sides are pretty nationalist...most people on both sides grow with hatred of each other..but then some people realize how silly it is while we have a lot in common
BTW I'm young, 16 turning 17 in few days
Most of the people at my age somehow hate Greeks or have no good ideas about them.
 
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2 Eagle       1/14/2008 10:08:57 AM
OK, thanks for an honest answer.
I guess I will have to find a war to take sides on because peace has no interest to anyone here. It's a shame but that is probably reality.
Kane, I'm 78 and as you will find out you will mellow as you get older. Your views on war will change too. Hate is not a good thing to grow. What possible good can come of hating?
I hope things change between Greece and Turkey because both sides would fight with fervor in a war and it would not be an easy win for anybody...if at all.
 
 
 
 
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Heorot       1/14/2008 2:20:40 PM
If you look at the demographics of Turkey you will see that it is an overwhelmingly young country (in terms of age of population). Given Kane's comments on young peoples attitude towards Greece, the chances of these countries becoming federated are less that a snowballs' in Hell.
 
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