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Subject: Genocides 1914-1920: Turks, Armenians, Kurds, and the Jews in the middle...
Shirrush    9/4/2007 2:35:01 PM
Yes, genocides, plural. Please click the following link, and also make sure you hit the referenced websites too. Following is an article by an Israeli diplomat, about why it is advisable for the Jewish officialdom to nuance its position on the Turkish-Armenian question.
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Shirrush       9/4/2007 2:46:31 PM
The story here.
This is very unsettling for me. As an Israeli and as a Frenchman, I have been brought up to believe that denying a genocide, any genocide, is criminally sinful, and I have agreed with the EU law criminalizing deniers of the Armenian genocide in the same way as Holocaust deniers.
Now, does telling the truth about these tragic events, mentioning BOTH of the genocides perpetrated on the western slope of the Kavkaz in the second decade of last century, consist in negating the now-accepted Armenian tragedy?
I don't think so, and I'm sort of relieved that Israel has been sitting on the fence about these matters, for less-than-moral reasons of course, but at least our nation has refrained from committing, as the Europeans did, to one side only of the narrative.

Kane dude, what's your take on all this?

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kane       9/4/2007 6:11:50 PM

"The US Congress and the Jewish community should encourage historians on both sides to objectively examine what took place.

Nations mature when they can look at themselves in the mirror and see the grey, the wrinkles and the blemishes."

Like we don't want?Armenians are the ones who doesn't discuss over this.Because according to them there is no need to do this.After all whole world believes it's a genocide.

A guy in the comment section said

"While the mass killing of the Armenians by the Ottoman Empire during WW I was tragic, most European countries also did similar things. First concentration camps were in South Africa, for the Blacks, operated by the British, long before the Nazis came to powe. Also the French massacre of the Algerians after World War II was comparable to what the Ottomans did to the Armenians. The world stayed indifferent when the Serbs encircled Sarajevo. Turkey is singled out because it is Muslim."

I believe this is very true

What annoys us Turks is mostly  the fact that no one cares about what was done to us.And what was done by other powers(massacres of Indians,Algerians,Blacks,Turks....etc)

No one ever accuses them with such things but everybody accuses us even though there is an undeniable violence aganist us.

(and the fact that things in Armenian conflict does not qualify the terms of genocide)

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FJV       9/5/2007 1:38:40 PM
I still see the Turkey can do no wrong attitude.

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Jeff_F_F       10/13/2007 3:30:03 PM

I still see the Turkey can do no wrong attitude.

I tend to see a "Turkey can do no right attitude" too. The truth is in the middle and no one wants to go there. If one side starts a race-war and the other side finishes it, whose fault is it?
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Battle_Hymn    Questions   1/6/2008 2:49:00 PM
Where is the so called democrats today bout Iraq?Africa?Kenya?Algeria? etc and etc..
These are easy games about Turkiye and Turks..If they trustin their archives why Kocaryan said;
This is political not historical thing and why they cannot go to Lahey also when Turkish archives are open why historians cannot take archives which older than 50 years from Armenia?
Lets check what Turkiye did to Armenia ''Enemy of Armenia who threatin Armenia?!''
1.First Turkiye accepted freedom of Armenia ''People will ask so what but you need to accept freedom of a country for diplomacy''
2.When Armenia attackin to Azerbaijan/Azeri Turks,Turkiye sended committe to Armenia with Caucasus with Turkic Countries..
3.Armenia have no side to Black Sea but Turkiye invited Armenia to BLACK SEA ECONOMIC COOPERATION as a founder member..
4.When Armenia had energy problem Turkiye helped to them also let for border trade..
5.When Armenia had famine problem Turkiye sended 100.000 Tone wheat..
6.And Last when Turkish Prime Minister invited Armenia for historian committe Kocaryan said this is political problem not historical..
People will say some countries accepted this we know very well how honest they are first they need to look mirror before insultin to Turkiye..
What Anatole France says;
If fifty million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing..
Maybe they must stop doin brain masturbate especially for their people..Cause they stealin their people future..
Thank You..
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