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Subject: Turk Assassination of Hrant Dink
VelocityVector    1/19/2007 11:31:46 AM
One more voice silenced . . . Turkish-Armenian writer shot dead A well-known Turkish-Armenian editor convicted of insulting Turkish identity has been shot dead in Istanbul. Hrant Dink, editor of newspaper Agos, was shot three times by an unknown gunman outside his offices. Dink was given a six-month suspended sentence in October 2005 after writing about the Armenian "genocide" of 1915. Turkey's NTV television said police were searching for a teenager wearing a white hat and a denim jacket in connection with the murder. The channel showed pictures of a white sheet covering the journalist's body in front of the newspaper building's entrance. Dink, 53, had received threats from nationalists who viewed him as a traitor, the Associated Press news agency reported. He was one of Turkey's most prominent Armenian voices. He once gave an interview with the Associated Press in which he cried while describing the hatred some Turks had for him, saying he could not stay in a country where he was unwanted. Hundreds of thousands of Armenians died in 1915, in what many Armenians say was a systematic massacre at the hands of the Ottoman Turks. Turkey denies any genocide, saying the deaths were a part of World War I. Turkey and neighbouring Armenia still have no official relations. Story from BBC NEWS: http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/europe/6279241.stm Published: 2007/01/19 15:03:59 GMT © BBC MMVII v^2
 
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swhitebull    Followup to Coverup   1/21/2007 3:07:43 PM
 
From LittleGreenFootballs.com: 
Media Blackout Continues: "I Shot the Infidel"

The media are still pushing the “Turkish nationalist” angle in the assassination of Armenian editor Hrant Dink, as if “Turkish nationalism” were completely unconnected to its Islamic roots: Teen ‘shot editor for insulting Turks’.

AN unemployed teenager has told investigators he shot dead editor Hrant Dink because he had insulted Turks, it was reported today.

Police caught Ogun Samast, 17, carrying a gun at a bus station in the Black Sea coastal town of Samsun overnight, a day after the Turkish-Armenian Dink was shot in broad daylight outside his newspaper office in Istanbul.

“I read on the Internet that he (Dink) said ‘I am from Turkey but Turkish blood is dirty’ and I decided to kill him ... I do not regret this,” CNN Turk quoted Samast as saying.

Why do I have this sneaking suspicion that Samast’s statements are not being fully reported?

As we noted yesterday, initial stories about the shooting included a quote from an eyewitness who said Samast had shouted, “I shot the infidel!” Reuters themselves had this quote, but it was edited out of later versions.

Here’s an interesting little experiment with Google News, which indexes many of the world’s media outlets (legitimate, illegitimate, and insane).

A search for the murdered editor’s name returns more than 1,300 results: hrant dink - Google News.

But a search for “I shot the non-Muslim” (as Reuters originally reported it) returns only 21 results, all early reports in Australian or other non-US sources: 'i shot the non-muslim' - Google News.

And a search for “I shot the infidel” returns ... 2 results, both to the same article at the Telegraph: 'i shot the infidel' - Google News.

Note that I’m not claiming the shooting was strictly for purposes of jihad. Samast obviously was motivated to some extent by Dink’s remarks criticizing Turkey for the Armenian jihad/genocide.

But on the other hand, there seems to be a universal agreement among the wire services and major US newspapers to ignore the eyewitness’s quote—even editing it out of later versions of the same article.

It’s a whitewash.

And here’s another early version of the Reuters report, with the quote, still posted at their Canadian web site: Turkish-Armenian editor shot dead in Istanbul.

NTV television said Dink, a Turkish citizen of Armenian descent, had been shot three times in the head and neck.

Muharrem Gozutok, owner of a restaurant near the Agos office, said the assailant looked about 20, wore jeans and a cap and shouted “I shot the non-Muslim” as he left the scene.

If the quote was mis-reported, the context is important enough that I’d expect articles to contain something like this: “Early reports that the attacker shouted ‘I shot the non-Muslim’ were unverified.”

Instead, the quote simply vanished.

UPDATE at 1/21/07 10:51:21 am:

Support for the jihad angle, from a Turkish web site: Police identify suspected killer of Turkish journalist. (Hat tip: Abu Maven.)

Police have identified the suspected killer of journalist Hrant Dink, acting on a tip from the su

 
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kane       1/22/2007 9:30:16 AM
Yes now it is more official
Ogün Samast is from a religious organisation called "nizam-i alem"
It seems like this is done by anti-secularism guys-
The guy who shot the priest last year had a GLOCK gun,it is still disccused in here since that weapons is forbidden and very expensive.how could that boy afford it?
Again last year a high ranking lawyer(not lawyer the other guy for got the word) was shot by a guy from this "nizam-i alem" thing.

OR

it is done by government to affect next president elections.Because of the increasing religious problems R.Tayyp Erdogan will be accused and his chance of becoming president will get lower-and thats a good thing

We still do not know(and probably won't learn) if this is a simple assasination or a well-organized dark job


 
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Scratchie    swhitebull   1/23/2007 10:42:52 AM
swhitebull,
 
A Turkish citizen who is in fairly good health (mentally, physically and socially) would NEVER put her country in jeapardy. I am not saying it was planned by Armenians or anyone else who hates Turkiye, but that guy is only what 17, 18? He is brainwashed, isn't it obvious? And why is it fishy for him to get caught so quick? His father was smart enough to hand him to the police even though that was his own son. That was the right thing to do so he did it.
 
Read this:
 
"January 12, 2007: Greek terrorists fired an RPG-7 at the US embassy in Athens. A group called "Revolutionary Struggle" claimed responsibility for the attack. The Greek government said that the organization is a left wing faction. The rocket-propelled grenade slammed into a third-floor bathroom. No one was hurt. Every time something like this happens the Greek government thinks of " November 17", the terrorist-anarchist gang that launched attacks throughout Greece but often targeted American targets. Greek police and intelligence services made a concerted effort to destroy the " November 17" gang prior to the 2004 Olympics."
 
Why isn't this made a big deal? Those Greek terrorists don't represent the whole population.
 
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MaviTengriYurt       1/31/2007 1:35:58 PM
Indeed, this is an extreme Islamic guy. However,I don't think Samast represents your religion. He represents political Islam. It's a sick colonial infiltrating ideology which, as a Turk, you should be first to criticize. That's protecting your religion. I know people in the West often don't make the distinction. You may get mad at them for this, but ultimately I believe you should target the source, political Islamism, which is a vehicle trough which the sick colonial concepts are infiltrating in Turkey. 'I shot the infidel' is typical colonially brutalized, barbarized and arabized Middle Eastern mentality. Ultimately it would be nice if the Middle East at large would be cured, because then we would be surrounded by better countries.
Wow Swhitebull congratulations on finding another way to bash Islam

First of all no one in Turkey thinks this is a simple nationalist or extreme islamic guys attack
Most of the um...well educated people thinks this is something deeper just like assasination of Ugur Mumcu or other people who plays a lot with secrets
Some thinks this is a simple fascist(well these guys are currently happy of his death)
Some thinks he is  a simple extremereligious(cultist) guy who is aganist secularism.There were several attacks aganist secularism in the last 30 years
Some thinks this is done by outher powers to stop Turkey from joning EU or to make it lose prestige(well we sure lost)
Some thinks he is working for Armenia-the aim of the assasination was to show Turks as killers,to make us seem like we're killing people who do not agree us
or maybe it was because of other political reasons
These are all conspiracies but as I said it's not a simple thing

Since this not a good thing for Turkey at all,a person who loves this country WOULDN'T do such a thing

Oh and no one in Turkey(except fascists-low number) is happy because of this
We lost a democracy defender

And the way media shows this to world,well it's urely wrong or details are wrong!




 
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kane       1/31/2007 5:15:17 PM
that post was before when I was thinking big :)
Anyway you're right

 
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sofa       3/14/2007 1:23:26 PM
"In October 2005, he was convicted of trying to influence the judiciary after the bilingual Turkish-Armenian newspaper he edited, Agos, ran stories criticizing a law making it a crime to insult Turkey, the Turkish government or the Turkish national character."
 
So an insult is a crime?
That way you avoid debating and alternative political parties and individual liberties and a free press.
Just to name a few.
 
I must be more careful when in Turkey.
 
 
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Barca       3/15/2007 11:15:38 AM
<< "The reason of this assasination is DEFINETLY not religion.You do not know this country,no one kills other because of their beliefs(there are exceptions of course)

and don't beleve everything you hear,althought it maybe right I haven't heard anything like"kafiri vurdum(i shot the infidel)"
Actually it is though that this guy is from an organisation which is aganist secularism" >>
 
When written in English, this becomes confusing.
Someone who is doing something against secularism is doing things in the name of Religion.
 
I suspect that you are trying to indicate that this is more political.  A revenge killing because the writer insulted Turks from 1915 who the author may have suggested were acting in the name of their Religion.
 
 
<< "Again last year a high ranking lawyer(not lawyer the other guy for got the word) was shot by a guy from this "nizam-i alem" thing." >>
A prosecutor.  They are typically also lawyers.  A lawyer for the accused is a defense lawyer.
The terms attorney and lawyer are used interchangable, as in defense attorney or proseuting attorney.
 
 
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Barca       3/15/2007 11:18:16 AM

Why isn't this made a big deal? Those Greek terrorists don't represent the whole population.


Actually it was.  Terrorism within a NATO is headline news even though there were no deaths.
 
News about Hrant Dink, is hard to find.
 
 
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kane       3/15/2007 11:37:58 AM

"In October 2005, he was convicted of trying to influence the judiciary after the bilingual Turkish-Armenian newspaper he edited, Agos, ran stories criticizing a law making it a crime to insult Turkey, the Turkish government or the Turkish national character."

 

So an insult is a crime?

That way you avoid debating and alternative political parties and individual liberties and a free press.

Just to name a few.

 

I must be more careful when in Turkey.

 


Yes it is forbbiden to insult being Turk in official places
Why would someone come and say "Turks are.................................." in a governmental place
Of course you can say bad things about Turks in your normal life,we have funny tales about ourselves.There is a difference in this and saying these in an official place
And the people who say such things are generally people who want to bring sharia or to seperate Turkey
You don't have to be more carefull ;) since you're not a diplomat or not even a citizen of this country
 
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kane       3/15/2007 11:44:14 AM

<< "The reason of this assasination is DEFINETLY not religion.You do not know this country,no one kills other because of their beliefs(there are exceptions of course)

and don't beleve everything you hear,althought it maybe right I haven't heard anything like"kafiri vurdum(i shot the infidel)"
Actually it is though that this guy is from an organisation which is aganist secularism" >>

 

When written in English, this becomes confusing.

Someone who is doing something against secularism is doing things in the name of Religion.

 

I suspect that you are trying to indicate that this is more political.  A revenge killing because the writer insulted Turks from 1915 who the author may have suggested were acting in the name of their Religion.

 

 

<< "Again last year a high ranking lawyer(not lawyer the other guy for got the word) was shot by a guy from this "nizam-i alem" thing." >>

A prosecutor.  They are typically also lawyers.  A lawyer for the accused is a defense lawyer.

The terms attorney and lawyer are used interchangable, as in defense attorney or proseuting attorney.

 


We can predict many things from this actually
He could be simple nationalist+religious guy
He could be just a religious guy
I mean extremeist or the kinds of people who wants sharia
He could be a guy who is brainwashed by X(a country or  a person...)to kill him in the name of religion
Last year a Christian Priest was shot by a 16 year old boy(He was a beloved guy by the locals).Glock is forbidden in Turkey but the kid had that gun?How did he get it?
It's still a myth and a lot of Turks feel paranoiacs about the things happened in the past,we always accuse outern powers because they don't seem innocent in this kind of stuff
 
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