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Subject: Turkey freezes military ties with France
kane    11/16/2006 9:48:38 AM
http://www.globalaf.net/showthread.php?p=258#post258 ANKARA (Reuters): Turkey has frozen all military ties with France in protest over the French parliament's support for a bill making it a crime to deny claims of an Armenian genocide, the state Anatolian news agency said on Wednesday. The National Assembly voted last month in favour of the bill, triggering angry protests and threats of a trade boycott in Turkey, which strongly rejects the claims that Ottoman Turks committed genocide against Armenians during World War One. The bill is unlikely to become law due to opposition from the Senate and President Jacques Chirac, but Turkish leaders have said the National Assembly's move will harm bilateral ties. "Relations with France in the military field have been suspended," Anatolian quoted General Ilker Basbug, head of Turkey's land forces, as saying. "High level visits between the two countries are not being made," added Basbug, who is number two in the hierarchy of Turkey's powerful armed forces. He gave no further details. The French foreign ministry declined to comment. French defence firms view NATO member Turkey, which has a fast-growing economy, as a lucrative market for their hardware. The Armenian issue is very sensitive in Turkey, which denies any genocide took place but says large numbers of both Muslim Turks and Christian Armenians were killed in a partisan conflict that raged on Turkish soil as the Ottoman Empire collapsed. France, which holds elections next year, is home to the largest Armenian diaspora in Europe. Chirac said during a recent visit to Yerevan that Turkey must accept the genocide before it can join the European Union. Turkey began EU entry talks last year but the large Muslim country's accession bid faces growing opposition from some existing member states, including France.
 
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tweetybird    Very topical   11/16/2006 10:10:14 PM
 
It's one thing looking inward and enacting a law against holocaust denial as the germans and austrians have done. Its quite another thing to point an accusatory finger at other countries like the french natioanl assembly has done. Silly.
 
Its a good that Chirac and the senate have blocked the bill- goes to show that plebian democracy and good sense are not always compatible.
 
Ofcourse behind this is the larger issue of resistance to Turkey's desire to join the EU. If they don't let in a truly moderate and secular country like Turkey join, what kind of message are they sending? We won't let you join because 500 years ago we were fighting the battle of the Lepanto. Apparently the French didn't have a problem with the germans- and they were only jacked by them some 60 (and 80) years ago.
 
Turkey's head is in europe, both geographically and cultural. In a another generation the tail will follow.
 
Best let bygones be bygones.
 
 
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AdvanceAustralia    Move on   1/19/2007 1:50:39 PM
I don't think anybody is blaming modern, secular Turkey for a genocide allegedly committed by the Ottomans. Why can't Turkey just accept that it happened and move on with life?

The Europeans are into remembering history and acknowledging their mistakes so they don't repeat the same mistakes. If you want to be European (and having been to Turkey I know many of you think of yourselves as Europeans already) you need to do the same.

Good luck and cheers.

 
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french stratege       1/19/2007 11:40:11 PM
A: Turk did not buy a lot from France
B: We will sell to the Greecs.
C: We will even oppose more to them if they want to enter EU.
It is time to get rid of illegal Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus including by force.
 
 
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kane       1/20/2007 1:54:46 PM
Yeah sell them to Greeks we don't need your stuff
And tell me who will look after the Turks in N.Cyprus,do you even know the situation.
There aren't any Greeks in the North,after the war Turk migrated to North and Greeks migrated to south


 
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Scratchie    To the french    1/21/2007 7:15:05 PM
You talk like you are the cleanest race out there. Man, you (the French) are one of a kind when it comes to occupying someone else's land. You did a great job on that I'll give you that.
 


 
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VelocityVector       1/21/2007 7:56:43 PM

And tell me who will look after the Turks in N.Cyprus,do you even know the situation.
There aren't any Greeks in the North,after the war Turk migrated to North and Greeks migrated to south

That’s a fine argument for absorbing Karabagh into Armenia.  Interesting point of view from a regional guy.

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Serjy       9/23/2007 8:34:11 PM
ANOTHER STUPID STATEMENT WELL I DO NOT KNOW ABOUT THE GENOCIDE IT MIGHT HAPPEND OR NOT
 
BUT I KNOW DIS FOR SURE I WAS READIN ON TURKISH NEWS.TURKISH GOVERMENT CALLLED ON ARMENIAN GOVERMENT TO  HOLD A JOINT PLAN TO SEE WAT REALLY HAPPENED THAT TIME BUT I AM STILL WONDERIN IF ARMENIANS ARE SO CONFIDENT THAT IT HAPPENED Y DON'T THEY AGREE AND HOLD A JOINT PLAN AND SEARCH WAT REALLY HAPPENED IF THEY PROVE THAT IT HAPPENED THEY I WILL SAY IT HAPPENED,
 
WAR>>>PEOPLE DIES
 
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AdvanceAustralia       1/6/2008 7:03:13 AM



I don't think anybody is blaming modern, secular Turkey for a genocide allegedly committed by the Ottomans. Why can't Turkey just accept that it happened and move on with life?

The Europeans are into remembering history and acknowledging their mistakes so they don't repeat the same mistakes. If you want to be European (and having been to Turkey I know many of you think of yourselves as Europeans already) you need to do the same.

Good luck and cheers.


I suggest you try heading towards Anatolia next time rather than the Mediterranean resorts, you will be surprised by the
 increasing resistance towards europe.  If you europeans are so enlightened may I suggest the french begin by apologising for the thousands of Algerians murdered in paris.
????? Did you hit the quote button on the wrong post?

I don't know what Mediterranean resorts you write of - I'm not a resort type of person - I went to Turkey to pay my respects to those that fought at ANZAC Cove/ Canakkale (both sides), to see the Sultan Ahmet area of Istanbul and the ancient site of Troy.

Nothing surprises me about the attitudes of people around the world. The world is full of variety of both knowledge and ignorance. I don't have an interest in whether the EU accepts Turkey or whether Turks want to join the EU. I am not European.

60 years ago my grandfather, displaced by German and Russian armies rolling over his and my father's homelands, was generously given the option of migrating to the USA, Canada or Australia. He asked which country was the furthest from Europe...

If you respond to my posts kindly do not refer to me as a European. I refer you to my handle. I am an Australian.

Cheers.
 
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Foxr55       1/9/2009 3:40:46 PM
&&05; dont want any shit belongs to the french &&05; hate them more than greeks..
 
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Foxr55       1/25/2009 11:38:13 AM
&&05;'ve always hated the french so not buying frenh stuff cheer me up.its not only military in turkey people dont prefer french cars,white goods etc..cos of their hostile attitude againist turks..french had an influence in ottoman time on turks but now it turned to hatred againist the french..&&05; dont care if you oppose to turkey to enter eu anyway u arent alone on this issue.summing up ;  it will cost to france on every aspect (considering that anyway turkey wont join eu)..
 
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