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Subject: Turks and Armenians: Kane
Godofgamblers    8/3/2006 4:28:41 AM
This thread concerns the question of whether the Genocide of Armenians took place in the Ottoman Empire after WWI. The idea for this thread came from a discussion i had with Kane on the ARMED FORCES OF THE WORLD board. Please be advised that : (1) I have no personal stake in this argument as I am neither Turkish nor Armenian. (2) I have no negative feelings toward Turkey. (3) My own country is guilty of acts of genocide and outright genocide that make the Armenian situation pale in comparison. Thus, I am taking no position of superiority over Turks or Turkey. Since I know little about Turkish history, I would like to conduct the discussion via a series of questions, which I will ask Kane. Others are free to chime in, of course, as they wish. Let's start!
 
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VelocityVector    Warning: Graphic Photo   10/10/2006 6:17:17 PM
Turks massacre Armenians:



 
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VelocityVector    Warning: Graphic Photo   10/10/2006 6:18:29 PM
Turkish commandos decapitate Kurds:



 
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Scratchie       10/10/2006 10:37:51 PM
hahaha!!! nice pictures velocity. Very convincing two pictures. but don't forget, finding a picture that shows dead bodies of Turkish civilians massacred by the Armenians and the kurds is one or two click away as well. You can't win any debate by posting those pictures and telling me "my grandfather/mother told me" you need solid facts. This issue will never be resolved. Forget about it godofgamblers. You see where the problem lies.

Tomorrow, the french gov't is voting for whether to prohibit to say that Armenian genocide never happened. So if you go to France and say it never happened, you will go to prison for 5 years if it passes. Good for a country who colonized numerous countries and massecred them the worse way.

 
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VelocityVector    Open Request For Photos   10/11/2006 1:19:59 AM

hahaha!!! nice pictures velocity. Very convincing two pictures. but don't forget, finding a picture that shows dead bodies of Turkish civilians massacred by the Armenians and the kurds is one or two click away as well.

Please post the "clicks" to which you refer.  Here.

v^2

 
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kane       10/11/2006 3:02:34 PM
Armenian gangs killed Turks and Kurds.
Pics can belong to anyone.Maybe they're slughtered Turks,maybe they're slaugtered Armenians.
You know the fact that Armenians have no proof.Their only proofs are some unknown pics and some people who say they saw what happened.Thats it.Then let us bring our people,they can tell the same things."Armenians came to our village killed everyone"
There are pics of slaughtered Turks too

 
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VelocityVector       10/12/2006 8:53:32 AM
French lower house approves Armenia genocide bill
Thu Oct 12, 2006 5:45 AM ET

PARIS (Reuters) - Ignoring Turkish protests, the French lower house of parliament approved a bill on Thursday making it a crime to deny that Armenians suffered genocide in 1915 at the hands of the Ottoman Turks.

French businesses fear a Turkish backlash because of the legislation, which has highlighted broader anxieties about Turkish efforts to secure European Union membership.

The bill still needs to be ratified by both the upper house Senate and the French president to become law, but Turkey has already warned that Thursday's vote would damage ties between the two NATO allies.

Turkey denies accusations of a genocide of some 1.5 million Armenians during the disintegration of the Ottoman Empire in World War One, arguing that Armenian deaths were a part of general partisan fighting in which both sides suffered.

However, France's Armenian community, which is up to 500,000-strong and one of the largest in Europe, had pushed hard for the bill and found cross-party support within parliament.

The motion was carried by 106 votes to 19.

The legislation establishes a one-year prison term and 45,000 euro ($56,570) fine for anyone denying that a genocide occurred -- exactly the same sanctions as those imposed for denying the Nazi genocide of Jews during World War Two.

The French government did not support the motion, saying it was up to historians and not parliament to judge the past, but the ruling Union for a Popular Movement (UMP) gave its lawmakers a free hand in the vote, ensuring it would pass.

"Imagine for a second that Germany today denied the Holocaust. It is totally unacceptable," UMP politician Patrick Devedjian, who is of Armenian origin, told RTL radio.

Source:http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=worldNews&storyID=2006-10-12T094442Z_01_L12845165_RTRUKOC_0_US-FRANCE-TURKEY.xml&WTmodLoc=IntNewsHome_C2_worldNews-7
 
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VelocityVector    Armenian Diaspora Bound By Killings   10/12/2006 10:52:42 AM
Armenian diaspora bound by killings
By Steven Eke
Regional affairs analyst, BBC News

From the Armenian perspective, the passing of a law in France forbidding denial of what Armenians consider to have been genocide is recognition of a great historical disaster.

There are politically and financially influential Armenian communities in several countries, most importantly the US, Canada and France. They have driven efforts to force recognition of the massacres in 1915 as genocide.

With Armenians so dispersed around the globe, the genocide theme has evolved into a central aspect of their national and self-identity.

But in Armenia itself, perspectives on the mass killings are sometimes quite different from the angry and highly politicised debate abroad.

Seminal event

One of the first things foreign visitors to Armenia are taken to see is the genocide memorial.

The towering concrete structure stands on a hill overlooking the country's capital, Yerevan.

It houses a small, sombre museum and is generally a low-key affair - except on one of Armenia's public holidays, genocide memorial day, held in late April every year.

Then a significant part of Armenia's population - just three-million or so strong - visit it to lay flowers.

At other times, the killings are part of a shared history, but one obscured by daily life.

Armenia is very poor, and its people have much more immediate concerns to be worried about.

That is not so among the Armenian diaspora. Revealingly, most of the best-known reflections of the killings, in music and literature, were produced outside Armenia.

In France, and especially the US, Armenians have excelled in science and commerce, and have a vocal presence in politics and the judiciary.

This leads Turkey and its allies to speak of an "Armenian lobby", which they say exerts disproportionate influence.

But among the diaspora, the mass killings in 1915 are the seminal event of modern Armenian history, something that binds together what is one of the world's most dispersed peoples.

Indeed, many diaspora Armenians passionately believe that the killings define latter-day Armenian identity.

And it is the diaspora, rather than Armenia itself, that drives the effort to have those killings recognised internationally as genocide.

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/europe/6044682.stm

Published: 2006/10/12 13:34:42 GMT

 
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VelocityVector    Orhan Pamuk Wins Nobel Prize   10/12/2006 3:13:16 PM


''Thirty-thousand Kurds and 1 million Armenians were killed in these lands, and nobody but me dares to talk about it."
- Orhan Pamuk, a recipient of the Nobel Prize for Literature, who was arrested by the Turk Police merely for saying the above words


 
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kane       10/12/2006 3:47:35 PM
He is a good author but not a historian.
 
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Godofgamblers       10/16/2006 10:02:16 PM



 

What about the Hamidian massacres? This throws a different light on things, doesn't it? It DOES look like a dry run for what happened in later years.... doesn't it?

 
 
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