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Subject: Terrorism in Turkey
Scratchie    7/18/2006 9:44:28 AM
I don't really understand why Turkey can't do what Israel has been doing for weeks. This doesn't bode well for future relationships between Turkey and the USA and what the US is doing is not fair. Just because their 2 soldiers have been kidnapped, Israel has been bombing Beirut along with the civilians, but when it comes to Turkey, "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! that's not acceptable!" Yes! every country has a right to defend itself. Israel does, so does Turkey. Just last week, close to 30 Turkish soldiers have been killed in conflicts with the terrorists and NO, THEY WERE NOT JUST KIDNAPPED. They had families, children, dreams. This has got to end. I don't care what the USA or any other countries think anymore. We should and we will get into N.Iraq to put an end to this.
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kane    RE::(   7/24/2006 5:43:38 AM
NATO and U.S says NO so we probably won't go there.A brave man should give the order to enter Iraq.I don't care about EU or USA(guess they're our real enemies because they don't let us make a stable country)
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Heorot    RE:Terrorism in Turkey   7/24/2006 8:22:28 AM
Kane, what Israel is doing in the Lebanon will NOT achive peace. Their actions guarantee that the conflict will go on for another generation. Killing leads to killing and it should be kept to a minimum. The UK had the same problem with the IRA, but you didn't see British bombs dropping on Dublin.. We have now defeated the IRA as a real threat and the process has finally moved into the political arena. Turkey should ignore the bad Israeli example and adopt a policy thar works. As I understand it, Kurds are now allowed much more freedom to pursue their language and traditions than they were a few years ago. This is the way to go ahead, with hearts & minds, not killing. Killing just creates more hate and terrorists.
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kane    RE:Heorot   7/24/2006 11:01:29 AM
PKK is a diffrent organisation.They get into villages and steal children from their families.I know someone that had a problem like this. He told me that terrorists came to their house and demanded one boy(in east families are large).His uncle gave this guy.When you're a terrorist you must kill or die.Thats why they try to escape,anyway this guy succesfully escaped and settled in a new city. Yes they have some supporters too but in east every family must give one of their children.If you were the leader of that house,would you sacrifice your family or would you sacrifice soldiers. They come from Iraq kill and and run back to Iraq. "Killing just creates more hate and terrorists" Exactly
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Scratchie    RE:Heorot   7/24/2006 8:57:51 PM
Yes, Heorot. I agree with you 100%. But the problem is that they won't negotiate. You can't really trust \the most of them won't chenge their minds. It hurts when I see on the newspapers soldiers killed by the terrorists. I don't really have any idea on how to put an end to this. We'll all wait and see what'll happen.Btw thanks for your respectful suggestions.
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Thomas    RE:Terrorism in Turkey   7/24/2006 9:04:07 PM
It isn't anybodies fault that Erdogan does not miss a single opportunity for making an unintelligent move.
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Heorot    RE:Kane   8/3/2006 6:33:48 PM
In the early days, the Provisionals weren't interested in negotiating either. The tactics that were eventually successful were to strangle their ability to operate. To do that we had men on the ground in large numbers in observation posts and with undercover observers (SAS) too. Suspicious movements had squads making interceptions. In the towns there were armed police manning choke points and army patrols moving through the militant areas. Anything to deny the IRA the freedom of movement. I acknowlege your point about children and young men being taken away, but the PKK can only do that because the authorities are offering no in situ protection for these people. Unless a town or village has a sufficient force to protect the people living there, then the PKK has free rein to operate.
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kane    RE:Kane   8/5/2006 5:57:09 AM
There are defenders but they're local people.You can not know who may support them.Anyway you were right.Invading another territories may not fix the problem. We must stop them from taking support. I guess they're getting their support from Kurds that are supported by USA in N.Iraq.Talabani and Barzani may be giving them weapons.Maybe USA is giving weapons.The ├Żnternational pressure should be on them or they're gonna continue to kill. Look at Denmark they have a TV program in there which makes them get more support. Causing more deaths by invading should be the last thing we should do(btw last time we got into N.Iraq we pretty kicked their asses).But somehow if we enter Iraq i won't feel bad ;)
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