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Subject: This is how Islamic radicals see Turkey
Pars    2/27/2006 7:55:59 PM
From an Islamic radical web-site. Learn Turks from our enemies. KEMALISM Mustafa Kemal grew up during the last parts of the Ottoman Empire. By now the Empire had become corrupt and lost many of its Islamic ways. Kemal, was to go on to complete the destruction of the caliphate which was already in decline. Ataturk is regarded by all scholars as a kaffir (non-muslim), and it is probable that he would have been proud of this. He was an agent of the shaytan who took the caliphate destroyed it and resurrected the times of Jahiliyya (ignorance- as existed before Islam). He created a state that was godless, secular, and westernised. Ataturk ended the caliphate in 1924. He then banned the Islamic dress code, arabic script, Islamic titles, Islamic family law, and the Islamic calender. He executed any Islamic scholars and opponents who disagreed with him. This was all done for the cause of so-called 'modernisation'. Ataturk claimed that in his new Turkey people would be treated equally regardless of religion. However, he treated all proper muslims as lesser beings, and this has led to it being suggested that perhaps he was a secret Jew or Christian. What is clear is that anyone who follows his ideology of 'Kemalism' can not call themselves muslim.
 
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Shirrush    RE:This is how Islamic radicals see Turkey   2/28/2006 8:49:32 AM
Did you post this as a fitting obituary for the regretted secular Kemalism in Reccep Tayyip Erdogan's Islamic-revivalist Turkey? Is there any chance for a secularist block to take over, provided the Islamists, or the armed forces, do not cancel the electoral process altogether?
 
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Pars    RE:This is how Islamic radicals see Turkey   2/28/2006 5:58:17 PM
Erdogan's party will most probably lose the next election. They are so corrupt and useless that people get sick of them.
 
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Shirrush    RE:This is how Islamic radicals see Turkey   2/28/2006 6:08:34 PM
When is that next election supposed to take place? Who is likely to win and take over? Will the Islamists go quietly if they lose, or will they start killing people and blowing things up?
 
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kane    RE:This is how Islamic radicals see Turkey   3/1/2006 7:02:00 AM
"When is that next election supposed to take place? Who is likely to win and take over? Will the Islamists go quietly if they lose, or will they start killing people and blowing things up?" slow down man this is Turkey.It's a modern country with low education and terror on the east. this won't happen in Turkey unless terrorists do something
 
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Pars    RE:This is how Islamic radicals see Turkey   3/1/2006 7:05:03 AM
Erdogan's party is not radical Islamist, they are moderate islamists. It still disturbs secular Turks, as we believe religion should not have a place in politics. Probably there will be an early election next year, before they lose too many support. My guess is central right (DYP) or a central right-left coalition (DYP-CHP)will win the election. When they lose, they will go quietly because even our Islamist partys' have embraced democracy.
 
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Shirrush    RE:This is how Islamic radicals see Turkey   3/1/2006 7:07:23 AM
...And you haven't, as usual, answered the question in any way, so I'll ask again: - When are the next elections in Turkey? - Who's running? - Who do you think will win? - Is it going to be boring in a suitable democratic way, or tragically newsworthy?
 
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Shirrush    RE: Sorry Pars   3/2/2006 3:33:05 PM
I was writing my rant while you already posted yours, but I'd still like to know more about Turkish politics, before I hit the Antalyia trail and find out by myself with the locals arounds a few cups of Turkish coffee...
 
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Titan    RE:This is how Islamic radicals see Turkey   3/2/2006 10:40:18 PM
"Erdogan's party will most probably lose the next election. They are so corrupt and useless that people get sick of them". What about the previous governments, were they better? Surely not!
 
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Titan    RE: AKP   3/2/2006 10:48:35 PM
The reality is that AKP has done much better than all the previous governments combined. Take a look at all basic indicators and figures, it's beyond reasonable doubt.
 
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Exile    To shirrush   3/3/2006 10:52:24 AM
In 1923 our new rebublic was established.Turkey was really poor and had a agricultural society. The old empires structure was based on "religion" and "empire society". not any nationalistic ideas were supported. Afer the Turkish Independence War aganist England supported Greece, Mustafa Kemal Ataturk established the new republic. The new republic had to make big revulations. -the education system was put in same manner.not any religonal based schools -the albepethicwas changed to Latin instead of Arabic -the religonal cults were disbanded -the dynasty of ottoman family and religional spirutal title "caliphet" was removed - lots of schools and academies were established.But there was a big problem.people didnt know to write or read. Village instutes were the cure. in this instutes the idea was " talented teachers" who has skills and knowledge about "language,agricultar,medicine vs) basic civilization needings.. -a new society was created. -new factories and industustiries are supported by goverments funding -engineers,technicans and doctors are sent to foregin industrual countries and came back as experts. But for democracy it had to be more than one party.some struggles to make this was ended with civil rebellion. rebellion was supported by England.the leader of rebellion was Kurdic "seyh sait" England supported it because feared Musul and Kerkuk migt be taken by Turkey. to repulse this rebellion the poor countiries sources were droven out -in the WW II Turkey was sideless.but because of army upkeep the plans of industrial progress was delayed.fundings were still not enough -in 1950 a new party was elected. Demokrat Party. this is at the time when US' Marshall Helping Funding was sent to countries to reduce "leftist sympathy" that must be a helping fundingbut was taken borrow.( first foregein borrow) this was intentional indeed. independency on money to Us was started - the new goverment closed the village instutes.their reason was that ,these instutes was linked to communist beliefs. after that event the ignorance of people lasted.the feudal structure in eastern Turkey is still avaible. this feudal structure is about power of local land owners. ( you see why PKK is still a power) the govermantel authority is reduced by this way -Democrat party was closed and the prime minister was executed fot betraying country. After that events lots of parties came and gone. These parties were usually rightist.Corruption of these parties and capitalist ideas to non-industrial society caused mass of non-workers,ignorance, poor people wthout any skills to survive -in east the situation was worse.no industry ,no job limited agricultural areas caused immigration to west. the ones who didnt immigrate was a chance for the enemies. these people organized as terroristgroup. but it must be a belief and idea.up to thattime kurds was just an ethnic group.by this,the idea "being a nation" was forcely pumped to certain groups. As i mentioned before there is a feudal structure in south eastern Turkey. If you give enogh money to a land owner you could buy the loyalty. -the seperation caused by foregein supported press and media caused multi-govermance and coalation system that slows the all the govermantel structures -and now the our borrownings 157 billion dolar to World Bank. only % 91 of population know how to write and read. % 9 is huge for a populaton of 70 millon and the answers of your questions - When are the next elections in Turkey? after 2 years - Who's running? the AKP is running. He s a loyal servant to US. but still doesnt has enogh power. some forces in Turkey is limitation to movemants. ( the pass of Us troops isnt allowed.) - Who do you think will win? US controlled media supports AKP. It would probably win next elections.I cant understand my own people - Is it going to be boring in a suitable democratic way, or tragically newsworthy? it would be both. Yes there is democracy in turkey but people vote to ones whom they re told to.
 
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