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Subject: This is how Islamic radicals see Turkey
Pars    2/27/2006 7:55:59 PM
From an Islamic radical web-site. Learn Turks from our enemies. KEMALISM Mustafa Kemal grew up during the last parts of the Ottoman Empire. By now the Empire had become corrupt and lost many of its Islamic ways. Kemal, was to go on to complete the destruction of the caliphate which was already in decline. Ataturk is regarded by all scholars as a kaffir (non-muslim), and it is probable that he would have been proud of this. He was an agent of the shaytan who took the caliphate destroyed it and resurrected the times of Jahiliyya (ignorance- as existed before Islam). He created a state that was godless, secular, and westernised. Ataturk ended the caliphate in 1924. He then banned the Islamic dress code, arabic script, Islamic titles, Islamic family law, and the Islamic calender. He executed any Islamic scholars and opponents who disagreed with him. This was all done for the cause of so-called 'modernisation'. Ataturk claimed that in his new Turkey people would be treated equally regardless of religion. However, he treated all proper muslims as lesser beings, and this has led to it being suggested that perhaps he was a secret Jew or Christian. What is clear is that anyone who follows his ideology of 'Kemalism' can not call themselves muslim.
 
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FJV    RE:This is how Islamic radicals see Turkey   3/5/2006 6:41:22 AM
Doesn't matter. Islamic radicals are known for fighting amongst themselves. What worries me about Turkey is that a Christian priest was killed in Turkey in connection with the cartoon riots. I rate this attack against a religion totally unconnected with the cartoons (which really aren't "that" bad) just as bad as burned consulates. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,183879,00.html At the very least there are some real serious issues with fundamentalist Islam in Turkey. This raises some serious doubts about Turkey with me. It also changed my mind on having Turkey join the EU.
 
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trustedsourceofinfo    RE:Just goes to show   3/5/2006 8:49:12 PM
""http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,183879,00.html"" -->>Didnt I tell you Pars and Kane.. You Moslems are all the same... Now let me see u Turks protest against this attack .... You fukking turks stink of double standards...Just as the other Moslems do.. Some of you'll turks rejoiced at the same;Some of you'll played ignorance and indifference;the remainder probably chose to blame the US and Israel for the same... Man-to hell with your damn Islamic values...I hope u bastards rot in hell too!
 
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Exile    RE:Just goes to show   3/6/2006 7:55:58 AM
trustedsourceinfo,This is my first warning and last to you.First learn to speak on a forum board. second ýf you wanna last on this forum never say something bad about Turkiye. i dont know from where you are. Your words shows the inhumanity of your nature. this is not a threat but i will watch your every thread you start or write. if i see something again say bye bye to your comp and your all accs.is it clear mongoloid ??
 
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Pars    RE:trustedsourceofinfo   3/8/2006 3:36:58 PM
The murderer caught and went into prison. He was comdemned even by his own father. Only the ones who does not have much to say, insults. I guess, you are out of intelligeble arguments. So you are back to your old racist insultic behaviour. You can say any insults you like. I do not care. It only shows your true nature.
 
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Pars    RE:FJV.    3/8/2006 3:46:19 PM
Islamic radicals do fight against each other. But they all agree on that secular Turks are non-believer traitors who use force on the true believers. Just look at any fundementalist web-page. Turkish republic is the thing they hated most. By the way it really make me sad to learn that you cease supporting Turkish entry to EU. Thank God, the force of economy is in Turkish side. Turkey is the fastest developing, most dynamic economy in Europe. If Turkey will not enter EU, we will goto economic cooperation with Russia and China. 20 years from now, it will be EU who is asking Turkey to join.
 
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FJV    RE:FJV.    3/9/2006 12:44:12 PM
Problem is that in many European eyes Turkey is giving off mixed signals, just when we need some certainties from Turkey. The result is that Europe is having a mixed reaction towards Turkey and is giving mixed signals back. Also at the moment Europe is not acting sensible. We're already talking about admitting Croatia in the EU. These guys only very recently had fought an unresolved war. Allowing Croatia in the EU would be like importing that conflict into the EU. It may also be better for Turkey to stay out and wait until the EU regains some common sense. Maybe we want some things realized too soon.
 
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Scratchie    RE:To Pars, Titan, Exile, Kane   3/9/2006 11:20:09 PM
You really represent Turkiye well. I would like to thank you for that. But I just don't Turkey to join EU, because, as you know, none of those nations like Turkiye and Turkish people. I would never ever want to go to a country where I am not respected and am treated like a piece of garbage. Look at Clausewitz, shirrush and many more out there who know nothing about us, but don't like us. I bet all day they do google search to find something negative about Turkiye. You know what! I could that too. Germany, Britain, or Austria are not all that innocent. They are not perfect. Should I keep track of every little mistakes or crimes those EU countries do? Well... I am not like them. Titan, what do you mean it is an Islam thing beating someone who is stepping on our national flag? are you off your mind? You have no respect for this country and I have no respect for you. You are such an embarrasement to this country. You and people like you deserve to be kicked out of Turkiye, but guess what, you got no where to go unless you live abroad. Exile, Don't be ashamed of Kane. He is just a kid. He'll learn to debate day by date. I am assuming that's why he's here; to learn. He obviously loves his country and I respect that even though he says a lot of things that I disagree. Kane, You need to think before you post. Try not to offend anyone and always support your thesis with facts or logical arguments. But I understand that nothing will make those haters of Turkiye believe that Turkiye is a modern and beautiful country with lots of good, modernized people in it. I love my country with passion. NE MUTLU TURKUM DIYENE M.K. Ataturk (greatest Turk ever landed on Earth)
 
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Scratchie    RE:To Pars, Titan, Exile, Kane   3/9/2006 11:21:54 PM
Pars, You really represent Turkiye well. I would like to thank you for that. I enjoy reading your posts and agree with every you say except one thing. I don't Turkey to join EU, because, as you know, none of those nations like Turkiye and Turkish people. I would never ever want to go to a country where I am not respected and am treated like a piece of garbage. Look at Clausewitz, shirrush and many more out there who know nothing about us, but don't like us. I bet all day they do google search to find something negative about Turkiye. You know what! I could that too. Germany, Britain, or Austria are not all that innocent. They are not perfect. Should I keep track of every little mistakes or crimes those EU countries do? Well... I am not like them. Titan, what do you mean it is an Islam thing beating someone who is stepping on our national flag? are you off your mind? You have no respect for this country and I have no respect for you. You are such an embarrasement to this country. You and people like you deserve to be kicked out of Turkiye, but guess what, you got no where to go unless you live abroad. Exile, Don't be ashamed of Kane. He is just a kid. He'll learn to debate day by date. I am assuming that's why he's here; to learn. He obviously loves his country and I respect that even though he says a lot of things that I disagree. Kane, You need to think before you post. Try not to offend anyone and always support your thesis with facts or logical arguments. But I understand that nothing will make those haters of Turkiye believe that Turkiye is a modern and beautiful country with lots of good, modernized people in it. I love my country with passion. NE MUTLU TURKUM DIYENE M.K. Ataturk (greatest Turk ever landed on Earth)
 
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Shirrush    RE: Scratchie, it's about politics!   3/10/2006 9:05:22 AM
"Look at Clausewitz, shirrush and many more out there who know nothing about us, but don't like us." When have I said I don't like you? This is unfair. Just because I agree with some people that the EU should expand no further, and certainly not include Turkey, a large, powerful and diametrically un-European nation, you stick a "Turk-hater" label on my butt and put me on the same shelf with Mr. Clausewitz. While people living in the lands of the Rhine and the Danube may have had some unpleasant experiences with some of these uncouth, uprooted "Gastarbeitern" from RURAL Turkey, on a background of an historical struggle for Empire between Rome and Byzantium of Christendom, and, well, the Islamized newbies with the horses and the better tactics, I'm not one of them. As a matter of fact, we have always gotten along with the Turks and we mostly had a reasonable deal under their rule, with everything we needed except freedom. Sometimes, it costed us some money, but they always let us live and, unlike with the Greeks for example, no British fleet ever needed to intervene to prevent any Turk from massacring any of our communities, and no Turkish ruler ever allowed the kind of murderous religious persecution my ancestors had to put up with in the Lands of the Rhine. Where I live, we like the Turks, we look, we sound, we smell, and, Heaven forbid, we even drive a lot like they do. We do everything that is legally (and sometimes not) possible to ape the Turkish popular music styles, we immediately recognize every type of Turkish food as very, very familiar, and we prefer to travel to Turkey's Antalyia for our vacations, instead of going to Elat with the French and the British, since we're treated better there, it costs less, and there's a casino. You certainly have a point when you say I do not know enough of the Turks, but at least I'm trying, and that's exactly what I am doing on this board. Googling away all day is of little use, since it appears that fluency in the Turkish language is necessary to gain any knowledge this way. I have a lot of sympathy for Turkey, and although I confess that I was not too enthusiastic for the strategic alliance our governments and armies put together in the Eighties, I deeply saddens me to see that Turkey is now taking it apart in the ugliest of ways, complete with false accusations and renegations of signed deals. I do know, however, that politics and politicians come and go, but the friendship between the peoples will be difficult to forget, even when the trust is gone.
 
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Scratchie    RE: To Shirrush   3/10/2006 9:44:08 AM
Thanks for clearing that up for me. But the way you talked sounded like you were an Armenian. Where are you from by the way?
 
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