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Subject: Biological Attacks and Bird Flu
kane    1/19/2006 7:22:49 PM
i hace watched a program on STAR TV and the topic was Bird Flu. A guy said that there were 3 biological attacks on Turkey. I couldn't watch all because i zapped to that channel a bit late. 1.i missed the first one 2.He said Hardal Gazý was brought to Turkey(istanbul) by some foreign powers(??)-that has ability to kill everyone in 5 km square 3.Sarin gas was brought to istanbul by a PKK terrorist supported(able to hide himself in UK by permission of UK) by UK(the guy showed the evindances i mean he explained) And the main topic was bird flu.They were discussing if bird flu is a BIOLOGICAL ATTACK ON TURKEY!!!!!!!!! a little research: *http://www.habergenc.com/haber_detay.asp?haberid=10302 *http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turkishmilitary/message/3214 *http://www.zkea.com/ *http://www.hakimiyetimilliye.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=5200 (mostly Turkish) some main questions! Why is the virus in doðubeyazýt( a village near border ) but not in armenia and iran?? If the bird flu spreads with the migrating birds why is it just seen in Turkey?? How did it come to Turkey(the virus that kills humans) without affecting other countries-because the virus that kills humans was only seen in southeast asia(in 8 countries)?????????? another one says that it is an attack of USA I think this is a logical theory and we have to think on this........ Turkey was very carefull when the bird flu came first and no one died.I thought it was finished.It spreaded to other countries too but then the second wawe come and killed people. +the second wave caused no problems in other countries.HMMMMMMMM -A big damage to tourism -The guys who are in chicken and bird jobs lost everything(except Kentucky even i went there and ate hot chicken wings.I was scared but i wanted to eat chicken-danger makes it delicious) -damage to bird farms -vs. vs. i also saw something about the earthquake(this is old) Some say the earthquake in Marmara was an experiment of USA to see the damage-because the same earthquake line is under San Fransisco(or whatever) i read it's detailed version but i can't find it know.I'll be searching for it. it was saying that USA lost control of the experiment and because of the accident thousands died.It also says that a technology for this exists. (this is a psycho theory but it was very realistic while i was reading it) i don't know if these is true or not what do you guys think???!!! Note:i believe to those 3 biological attacks.
 
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kane    RE:HACE=JUST :P   1/19/2006 7:59:52 PM
sorry for the mistake i was writing so fast
 
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Hitit Sun    RE:Biological Attacks and Bird Flu   2/4/2006 4:40:47 PM
maybe you are right, but you don't know that bird flu is not new in Turkey. Old people also told this with a different name "Tavuk Vebasý" or "Chicken plague" It exist in Turkey for a long time.
 
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Schackleford    RE:Biological Attacks and Bird Flu   2/5/2006 4:01:05 AM
"They were discussing if bird flu is a BIOLOGICAL ATTACK ON TURKEY!!!!!!!!!" "another one says that it is an attack of USA" "Sarin gas was brought to istanbul by a PKK terrorist supported(able to hide himself in UK by permission of UK) by UK(the guy showed the evindances i mean he explained)" "i also saw something about the earthquake(this is old) Some say the earthquake in Marmara was an experiment of USA to see the damage-because the same earthquake line is under San Fransisco(or whatever)" Seriously kane, you have got to get over your conspiracy theories and start getting realistic. Your theories are no more realistic then the Roswell landings, and the various alternative explanations to the JFK assasinations. Where do you get such weird stories from anyway? "I think this is a logical theory and we have to think on this........" Calling the idea of a wast US conspiracy against Turkey a logical idea is laughable. It is the exact opposite of logical.
 
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kane    RE:Biological Attacks and Bird Flu   2/5/2006 5:04:46 AM
these are not my theories a guy on TV said this with his proofs but i think this is logical--our government was very carefull but then it spreaded so fastly
 
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PlatypusMaximus    RE:Biological Attacks and Bird Flu   2/5/2006 5:20:36 AM
I'm thinking that whoever jacked us up on West Nile is out to do you in too.
 
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Shirrush    RE:Biological Attacks and Bird Flu   2/5/2006 6:33:56 AM
Kane, you should seek professional help. Medication these days is a rather trifling matter, especially in countries like yours that are blessed with well trained doctors and a vigorous pharmaceutical industry, and can help you to quickly recover your sense of reality. Since I used to be involved in the design and use of biological warfare, that is, against a variety of our most legitimate non-human enemies, may their Latin names be forever forgotten, I also should point out the basic idiocy of your rant about bird flu. Bird flu fails every criterion for a biological weapon except for one, lethality. A coated virus, it's chances of surviving outside the host are zilch, so there goes it's applicability/weaponizability. Anthrax, OTOH, has a very resilient spore that can be used to interdict target areas, just the same as we use other spore-forming bacteria of the Bacillus genus to protect golf courses against the Japanese Beetle. Beside, it is non-contagious, so it wouldn't spread as an edipemic where it's user doesn't want it to spread. Smallpox, a huuuuge virus, is a naked-capsid crystal-thing that'd survive i.e. spraying, and it's surface antigen is both simple and highly conserved, a characteristic which makes vaccination of own troops and of non-target populations a feasible action. Since Bird Flu is a bird parasite that spreads from bird to birds and humans, but not from humans to humans, infection is hard to come by too. If the target knows that he only needs to keep his distance from birds to stay alive and fight another day, the virus loses all it's usefulness as a weapon. If, however, it is allowed to co-infect with Human Influenza Virus and recombine with it within the host into a new virus with improved contagion and deadliness, then again it would fail two more of a BW's requirements, controllability and selectivity, since the epidemic would quickly spread like a wildfire to populations that are not especially on the target list, and protecting even the offender's population with vaccine would be rather difficult, considering the complex and highly mutable antigens of this class of viruses. To make a long story short, using biological weapons against Humans is way too messy and risky to be attempted even by the baddest of the bad guys, since nobody wants to kill his own, and weapons to kill others should at least be able to be somewhat aimed at some target that can be roughly defined. Even the most Islamic of suicide bombers never take their grandmas and little nephews along on their missions, after all. That's what tweaking Influenza with i.e. an Il-6 gene behind a strong promoter, and spreading it through a not-yet-dying infected istish'had volunteer would be like: you'll never know who gets it next, and in what form. It could be you, or Kim-Jong-Il's little sister.
 
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