Needless to say; comparing cultures by the behaviours of their spectators is an absurd thing to do. But if you go that way according to your scala: Koreans and Japanese should be the most advanced cultures as there are no more gentlemen spectators in the world than they have. And of course Britain should go to the bottom as they have the most fanatic hooligans. Your post is a good example for showing how absurd a culturalist can go.

Talk about cultures germany killed how many jews in ww2? Or how spain killed most of natives in new world? If you want to talk about sport look at britain and nothing to say. Yeah culture is a big problem i do agree. One incident does not matter when their is history to talk about.

"Talk about cultures germany killed how many jews in ww2? Or how spain killed most of natives in new world? If you want to talk about sport look at britain and nothing to say. Yeah culture is a big problem i do agree. One incident does not matter when their is history to talk about." Yes, but all the nations above do not make it illegal to talk about the matter, and acknowledge their part. It's not about guilt, it is about learning from your mistakes. Ignoring mistakes is not a good trait.

Hugo said: "The football game between Switzerland and Turkey is a perfect example of all that separates the culture of nations under the cross (CH)with those under the crescent (TR). Turkish behaviour was sickening and further evidence of their anti-Western 'value' system. Still want to know why Europeans don't want you in the EU?" Who are you? The lack of intellectual rigour in your argument is astounding. If you want to make a case against Turkey joining the EU then do it, but using soccer crowds as the basis of your argument is pretty pathetic.

Most Europeans do not want Turkey as a EU-memberstate. me included. It will never happen that all 25 EU-memberstates will say yes. The negotations have the sense that the west simply want western reforms in Turkey. That's all. There is a new very popular book sold in Turkey. The story is about Turkey and Russia invade Europe. Turkey is taking Berlin. The Brussel bureaucracy goes to Instanbul. The muslims and otrthodox christians are ending the west (they provoked a war between the US and China so the the US can not defend Europe a fourth time (WW i, WW 2, cold war, ...). This is book is popular in the arab world too. So it shows where Turkey belong. To the arab world. PS: The kids in my kids school began to wear visible golden chrisian crosses just to sidestep (or anger) from the turkish students. Maybe we will see some trouble ahead. But at least after the french riots we will never a big muslim country as a EU-memberstate (Albania and Bonsia will enter the EU sometimes). And I do not care if Turkey become a fundamentalist muslim state in the future. That's your and not our business. Maybe that would be a fine place we can send the jihadists we do want to live with in Europe.

It is so popular that I never heard it. It looks like a fantasy novel. Thank God. You never read original Buck Rogers. In that book Russians and Americans built a nation, settled on Mars and enslaved rest of the World. I wonder what would you think about that obviously "realistic" scenario.

You said that false accusation before. I said it is not the case. As long as I am living in this country not you; a rational man would stop there unless he has a proof to support his accusation.

Cultural comparison indeed. Who said I was talking about your spectators? What about your security services both at the airport and at the match. Your football fans are animals no need to dispute that, but your government officials - that's the truly sickening part. It's clear that Europeans can not feel safe in the ultra-nationalistic turkey which apparently has so few national achievements that football becomes a rallying cry for delusional patriots. Oh, Pars, you can visit the UK board where I've made my point about Turkey's entry into the EU. I don't need to point to further evidence against your suitability you do well enough yourselves.

Recently, an Amenian community leader in Turkey was forced to leave the country because he complained that Turkey didn't do enough (read anything) to acknowledge its genocide against his people. You see, that is the difference between Germany/Spain and Turkey. Add to this and you still persecute your minorities.

Well, I guess the author is "Burak Turna" (and Orku Ükar?). He wrote "Metal Storm" what was discussed on another board. The new book may be "Üçüncü Dünya Savasi". You can search for it in the internet. The story is discussed in the german press. And you can imagine: not very friendly. By the way. There are hooligans everywhere and in every country. But normaly they are condemded by society as a whole. The problem is that at least parts of the turkish press are fine with the hooliogans and argue that swiss sportsmen or Mr. Blatter are responsible. I am sorry with your team. There would have been fine sportive events in 2006 here in Germany, with the turkish soccer team and many turkish fans celebrating a sportive fight for the world championship.