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Titan    11/10/2005 3:43:14 PM
Well I do feel ashamed and I do believe it was genocide. And I'm sorry for all the suffering we put the Armenians through.
 
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career909    RE:Titan   11/10/2005 5:34:50 PM
Genocide???? get real. Genocide requires one side to be weak and no fault. During an uprising revolt its all fair in love and war. Jews had genocide. Nanking was a genocide. Inca civilation being devastated and wipe out was a genocide. Now you feel better.
 
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Pars    RE:Titan   11/10/2005 7:42:11 PM
Although it was a very bloody affair. It was still a supression of a revolt. Turkish resolve was limited to the area where there was a revolt. And thousands of Turkish and Kurdish civilians were also killed by Armenian revolters.
 
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Pseudonym    Not Genocide?   11/10/2005 7:52:27 PM
Ok fine by me. We can stick with Mass Murder and Crimes against Humanity. Those are more than enough for me to require some sense of guilt and wrongness. But hey, their Turkish right? Whats a couple hundred thousand more on top of the pile.
 
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Pars    Genocide   11/10/2005 8:22:54 PM
What about Turkish Genocide that happened at early 20th century at the Balkans and Caucaus? And this one is really proven by documents from several countries and noone ever denied it. Of course noone ever cares if the dead are Turks. In the Armenian-Turkish war in both sides there were mass murders. Several Turks who were responsible were punished after the war but no Armenians. Of course they were the allies of the winners of WW1. The real question that should be asked is Turks, Armenians, Kurds and Greeks that were living at Anatolia were brothers of 1 nation at late 19th century and early 20th century. They lived side by side in peace. Why between 1915-1923 they all started to kill each other. Why Anatolia witnessed an ethnical war? The answer is simple. France-Britain-Russia arranged it to weaken Ottoman Empire. As long as we Turks, Kurds, Armenians and Greeks not learn to live in peace side by side; we will continue to be pawns of the great game.
 
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Titan    RE:Pars   11/10/2005 8:49:03 PM
"They lived side by side in peace. Why between 1915-1923 they all started to kill each other" Because they wanted independence. I would also fight to the death if my country was occupied by a foreign power.
 
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Titan    RE:Titan   11/10/2005 8:55:48 PM
I think something went wrong, I didn't intend to start a new topic, but wanted to answer in the existing one.
 
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Pars    RE:Pars   11/10/2005 10:51:21 PM
No power is foreign after staying in a place 900 years. No power is foreign if that power has more population than the others in the designated area. And no power is foreign if that power see the area as its motherland.
 
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Pseudonym    RE:Pars   11/11/2005 1:49:26 AM
"No power is foreign after staying in a place 900 years. No power is foreign if that power has more population than the others in the designated area. And no power is foreign if that power see the area as its motherland." I take it you have no problem with the slaughter of the Native Americans then. While that may be your lesson, our lesson was received and understood. We know we made mistakes and have moved to correct them. That is called progress. Denying it happened is what is the problem. Not the acts themselves, the perpatrators are long dead, but the actual DENIAL of the act is what is disturbing. It shows a distinct lack of the ability to learn from your history, good and bad, which means the Turks are going to eventually relearn these lessons.
 
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Pseudonym    RE:Genocide   11/11/2005 1:54:25 AM
"They lived side by side in peace. Why between 1915-1923 they all started to kill each other. Why Anatolia witnessed an ethnical war? The answer is simple. France-Britain-Russia arranged it to weaken Ottoman Empire." Yes and 9/11 was a CIA attack. It was a cruise missile that hit the Pentagon. The rise of the Taliban is our fault for not Democratizing Afghanistan by waving our majic wand. Oh yeah, and OJ is innocent.
 
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career909    RE:Genocide   11/11/2005 9:28:24 AM
Pseudonym pretty good. can you roll over and play dead. thanks.
 
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