I take a very dim view of the attitude I see here. I don't accept this kind of stuff from my fellow Dutch who say that there weren't any war crimes commited in Indonesia. And I don't see why I would make an exception for others. This is the "Turkey can do no wrong attitude". It's like some cannot accept that Turkey also has had it's black page in the history books, their fragile ego's won't let them admit mistakes. Of course such issues are going to rot and rot until acknowledged and laid to rest, then you learn from it and move on.

i sometimes feel like we committed a genocide.but pars is right.it happened because of foreigners. as i know while we were fighting aganist russians(90 000 soldiers were frozen) in the east armenians(an ancient nation supported by a great group SYSTEM OF A DOWN) revolted.ARMY was having hard times and armenians were making it harder so we sent them(every convoy was defended by soldiers and doctors were helping) some psycho high ranking soldiers killed armenians but they were executed in istanbul because of this. +they were attacked by other ethnic groups. armenians were living in peace with us.in those days armenians killed 542 000(something like this) turks. there were many genocides.but pars is right again if it is aganist turks it's not a genocide.foreigners do not like turks so all of them become united aganist turks when they have a chance. Will foreigners will be relaxed when we say -yes we killed armenians.we hate them and killed them for no reason.we are psycho we will pay them back.we have to give the lands they want.- Yok kardeþim soykýrým moykýrým.adamlar istediklerini yapalým diye kabul ettirmeye çalýþýyor.bizi istemiolar kardeþim onlarýn köpeði mi olcaz.býrakýn yýrtsýnlar kendilerini.hemen býrakmayýn kendinizi.

"i sometimes feel like we committed a genocide.but pars is right.it happened because of foreigners." In this line of reasoning the atrocities committed by the USA against Native Americans is not our fault. WE CAN PROVE THE EUROPEANS STARTED IT. So its not our fault right? Grow up you little kids and be men. Denial does not change facts. All it does is cause us to say, "look they won't accept responsiblity for their actions, why should we ever trust them" Next you will be telling me there was no holocaust.

Moral responsibility.

This death of people was a genecide or a revolt? Well according to the records it was a revolt. In a genocide, jews were collect in germany to be killed. In a revolt Nation trys to suprass the revolt first if not succesfull expuls them from the territory. That is a fact. In ottoman empire Erminians revolted. As you can see from the facts it was try to put down first then it was ordered to expulsion from the ottoman land to syria and russia. Erminians were given amply time to put the weapons down and stop the revolt. Morral resposible of a nation of the world is to defend its citizens against act of terror and terrorism in any given time.

"This death of people was a genecide or a revolt? Well according to the records it was a revolt. In a genocide, jews were collect in germany to be killed. In a revolt Nation trys to suprass the revolt first if not succesfull expuls them from the territory. That is a fact. In ottoman empire Erminians revolted. As you can see from the facts it was try to put down first then it was ordered to expulsion from the ottoman land to syria and russia. Erminians were given amply time to put the weapons down and stop the revolt. Morral resposible of a nation of the world is to defend its citizens against act of terror and terrorism in any given time." So by your reasoning the USA was perfectly in our rights to kill off most of the Native Americans? WAKE UP. JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN POINT YOUR FINGER AT A CAUSE DOES NOT MAKE THE SLAUGHTER ACCEPTABLE. This is why you will not be in the EU, thank you for reinforcing my argument. We take responsiblity for the excesses of our forefathers against the Native Americans, EVEN THOUGH THE EUROPEANS WHO STARTED THE FIGHTING TAKE NO RESPONSIBLITY AT ALL. THAT IS CALLED MORAL RESPONSIBILITY. Not the slaughter of a disaffected group of people who you wont allow to SPEAK THEIR OWN LANGUAGE.

Ottoman Empire was very harsh when it came to crushing revolts. In the history of Ottoman Empire the biggest bloodshed was happened at 16th century. At the time Anatolian Turks revolted against Ottoman Empire. And while crushing the revolt Empire acted very harshly and in one of the biggest massacres in the World they killed thousands of Turks. Now can you see any historians suggesting that this was a genocide. Crushing revolts is a very different thing. Besides that most of the Armenians killed were killed by Kurdish tribes. And it was proven by Armenian witnesses. So why it is the Turks who are blamed. Let's go to the bottom of the problem. According to you Pseudonym and likes you: Armenians and Kurds are Indo-European; Turks are not. You are a racist in the camouflage as a culturalist moralist. I prefer racist over your kind as at least they are decent enough to admit who they are. I am talking about proofs, all you have is demagoguery.

oh god.PARS you are great.that's the greatest answer but they're not gonna believe you.

"I am talking about proofs, all you have is demagoguery." You ever hear about how the victors write the history books? The fact that it is illegal to talk about it is all that need be said. Oh and btw, "You are a racist in the camouflage as a culturalist moralist. I prefer racist over your kind as at least they are decent enough to admit who they are." Racist? For saying there is blood on Turkish hands as well? Do you see me denying the slaughter of the Native Americans? Do you see us denying the mistake that was our Spanish War? IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR RACE, COLOR OF HAIR, EYES, OR ANYTHING ELSE. You committed Genocide and suppress the truth. Oh and btw, who exactly were those Kurdish Tribes being led by? I thought all Turks were Turks, no differences? That is official Turkish Government policy. Now they are Kurds because they did most the killing? Who cares who the lowly bastard left to do the job is, where did those orders come from? I'm racist? In what way? Point out a single racist statement i made. There are every kind of person on Earth in the United States, they are Americans to me regardless of color, race, creed, or any other thing you think seperates humanity. If anything i am a nationalist because i prefer the usa over all others. The problem here has nothing to do with racism it has to do with Freedom. That is the basis of my country. Obviously not the basis of yours. Try putting up some posters with the letters Q or W on them. Try to talk about the things we are talking about now in Turkey. Dude you cannot refute the truth so you resort to a personal attack to discredit me. Not that you are discrediting me to anyone else who reads this, just discrediting me in your mind so you can go back to your unrealistic life without having to face the truth. You deny all responsiblity, make it illegal to talk about, destroy the Culture of people who are not Turkish as you attempt to entirely assimilate them into your society. You say im hiding behing multi culturalism? You are hiding behind monoculturalism, which is why you are blind to hte truth and will not be in the EU.

You're not doing yourself any favours. Serioulsy, look through the rationalizations: - "it was not genocide, it was a revolt...", - "the Kurds did it" - "it's all bacause of the inter-european politics of the time", - "it was just some psycho military leaders, and they were punished" - "we were there for 900 years, it's all ok" - "other people commited genocide against turks, it's all ok" That stuff is ridicalous. You dont want to associate with that. It's very, *very* much the same as USA making excuses for what they did to the Indians, the dutch for Indonesia, the Serbs for Kosovo, the Spanish for Latin Americans, the Chinese for the Tibetans etc.... Of course we condemn those acts. That's obvious; of course we do, military genocide of civilian minorities is not justifiable, ever. They key thing here is not that, but to imagine what a Chineese, a Serb or an American would sound like to you. That is *exactly* what you sound like to us. Your choice is not between letting us all believe this Armenian nonsense, or give us all a history lesson about how it's all lies and Turkey can do no wrong. Your choice is between taking a mature, respectable attitude (like, say, the Dutch about Indonesia) or be inmature and delusional (like, say, most Serbs about Kosovo). That is not without consequences - Turkey's entry into the EU was mentioned. It's not surprising that the EU is not interested in admitting an inmature country that lies to itself about the past. They will not be interested in admiting a Serbia that denies what happened to the Kosovars, and they will not be interested in a Turkey that denies what happened to the Armenians. And that is a good thing I dont despise and mistrust the Dutch beause of their past in indonesia. I cant say that yet about the Serbs or the Chinese.