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Subject: Disarmament, Peacekeeping and Giant Crocodiles
James Dunnigan    6/24/2004 11:28:16 PM

For the last year, Australian led peacekeepers have been disarming militias on Guadalcanal island. The local gunmen were using weapons left over from World War II, as well as hundred more recently stolen from police stations, or brought by police who joined one militia or another. So far, over 3,700 weapons, mostly rifles, and over 300,000 rounds of ammunition, have been collected. But there is a downside to this. Decades of rifle ownership had sharply reduced the number of crocodile deaths among the people on the island. Even with all those rifles, several dozen people a year are killed by the crocodiles. But now, without their rifles, the islanders have to call on peacekeepers to come and shoot encroaching crocodiles.

The saltwater crocodiles in the Solomon Islands are the largest and most aggressive reptiles in existence. These animals are often over twenty feet long (some have grown to 30 feet), are very territorial and will attack humans that get too close. Crocodiles are very opportunistic when it comes to attacking something they think is edible. Attacks usually happen in the evening, when the humans aren’t looking for half submerged crocodiles, but the crocs are on the lookout for a meal. Saltwater crocodiles living in river estuaries are generally bigger and tend to more aggressive towards people. Saltwater crocodiles are sometimes found far inland in fresh water rivers as well. Crocodiles are also quite fast, and over short distances can outrun a human. Over a thousand people a year are killed by saltwater crocodiles, as well as many more dogs, pigs and cattle. 

Before the arrival of rifles, crocodiles, at least the large man eaters, were killed only with great difficulty and risk. Rifles made it much easier to get rid of any large croc that had moved into the neighborhood. Another would soon move into the now vacated territory, and the crocs never seemed to develop any fear of humans. But a rifle or two in each village enabled people to coexist with the big reptiles on somewhat even terms. 

But there are more fearful predators, and the people of Guadalcanal want private ownership of firearms banned, despite the crocodile threat. Five years of warring militias and lawlessness have shown to all that there are worse things to fear than crocodiles.

 
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DArbeit    RE:Disarmament, Peacekeeping and Giant Crocodiles   6/25/2004 3:15:23 PM
So Guadalcanal will now become a garden of peace because the government has banned private ownership of firearms? Not in the history of humanity has the disarming of a people produced peace. Now the "little guy" will have no way to protect himself or his family from crocodiles or lawless bands or "militias". Oh yes, he can call the "peacekeepers" for help. They will arrive in time to write a report over the dead bodies of the "little guy" and his family. Eventually they may even catch the lawless band members responsible or kill the croc that ate the child. Small comfort to the working guy. Why not ask how well "disarmament" has worked in the "Australian led peacekeepers" home country? They registered, then banned and confiscated huge number of guns from private ownership recently. Guess what, their crime rate skyrocketed! Well, I guess it will "keep the peace", after all, dead people are very peaceful.
 
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southern cross    RE:Disarmament, Peacekeeping and Giant Crocodiles   6/26/2004 1:33:49 AM
our crime rate did not skyrocket, murders are at their lowest level since federation, and gun related deaths have dropped over 40%. ask me i would rather have a croc out to get me than a band of rebel militias with rifles. thankyou aussie peacekeepers, great job once again.
 
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gf0012-aust    Gun related deaths - Southern Cross   6/26/2004 2:30:30 AM
... and considering the fact that in gun related deaths ATM a high proportion are due to Melbournes Mafia killing each other, then it's actually a welcome excercise. They're knocking each other off rather than innocent bystanders. as for the solomons, it's ironic that the villagers want to see guns removed and are happy to deal with crocs as well as they can, and yet someone who hasn't had to live through what they've experienced in the last few years sees gun removal unhelpful. The only deprivation of civil liberties was due to the cretins who were blowing all and sundry up over tribal disputes. They've been trying to get the Australian Govt to send in troops and federal police for years, it's only because we were anally retentive about being perceived as the big white colonial boy that we took so long. In the end, a job well done, and the community is happy (which is what counts) have you seen some of those guns SC? One tribal "trooper" has a Boys anti-tank gun as his pride and joy. some of those bamboo shotguns were nightmares waiting to blow up. I bet there were a few japanese samurai sword collectors on the next plane as well, there was a veritable collection of them, it looked like an armoury out of "The Last Samurai"
 
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Massive    RE:Disarmament, Peacekeeping and Giant Crocodiles - Darbeit   6/26/2004 5:46:39 AM
Darbeit, That is complete rubbish. If all you wish to do is spout the rant of some anti gun control weirdo do it on the US board. If you want to make an argument against gun control on this board get some facts to back up your story. Massive
 
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Ehran    RE:Gun related deaths - Southern Cross   7/3/2004 12:42:05 AM
One tribal "trooper" has a Boys anti-tank gun as his pride and joy. given the size the local crocs get to that sounds just about right to me.
 
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gf0012-aust    Gun related deaths - Crocs   7/3/2004 1:33:25 AM
well, you certainly wouldn't catch me dangling my feet in the river. ;) I've lost a couple of good dogs to crocs when I was younger - it put me off walking in shallow water for good - it was a better lesson than any of the locals could have tried to educate me with. I've seen a croc nail a baby buffalo quicker than a rat running up a rope. Your legs are a bit wobbly for a while when you see how quick they are.
 
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