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Subject: Will anyone ever defeat the American army?
sooner    1/24/2004 2:13:23 PM
Will anyone ever defeat the American army?
 
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smitty237    JTR   3/13/2010 1:52:12 AM
continue spreading freedom across the globe eh?? ive been waiting for a comment like this, Hello Vietnam, totally illegal in every sense of the word. there was no viable threat to america, they wanted to stop the spread of communism, sorry but how is that freedom. america wouldnt like it if some one walked into the white house told obama to take a hike and said "your country is going to be ruled the way i want" vietnam was unfair, and america lost anyway, thats what you get for meddling where its not needed. i dont see why america seems to think its gods gift too the world, and has a right to tell everyone else what to do, or to tell them off like little children "naughty vietnam, you shouldnt do that, go to your room, or we will naplam you".
if someone can explain to me how vietnam was a legal war, which was generally acting in the worlds best intrests, then i will happily listen.
good day to you sir
 
Very well, I will hold you to your word that you will happily listen.  Failing that, I hope at least you will consider an alternate point of view.  First of all, you have to consider the geopolitical situation that existed at the time when studying the morality of the Vietnam War.  It may seem silly in 2010 to fear the global spread of Communism, but this was not the case in the 1950's, 60's, 70's, and well into the 80's.  Hundreds of millions of people took this threat very seriously, and recognized that it was the goal of the Soviet Union and China to spread Marxism around the globe.  Nearly every country in the world that bordered a Communist natioin soon found itself dealing with Communist insurgencies within its own borders, and almost all of those Communist insurgencies enjoyed the material and financial support of the Soviet Union and Red China.  This is where the "Domino Theory" came from.  The philosophy there was that the only way to stop the spread of Communism is to prevent it from taking root.  That took a variety of different forms.  In some countries this was done by providing support for a certain country's military and security forces, which could mean everything from weapons to logistical support to intelligence.  In other countries this meant supporting anti-Communist politicians or governmental officials, and yet in others it may have meant having actual American, Brit, French, Australian, et al, military boots on the ground. 
 
That brings us to Vietnam.  Remember that after 1954 or so Vietnam was divided into two countries.  The North was Communist, while the South was a Western-style democracy (though admittedly not always a good one).  Almost immediately North Vietnam began supporting a Communist insurgency in the South (the Viet Cong).  North Vietnam was supported by both the Soviet Union and Communist China.  There was no corresponding anti-Communist insurgency in the North.  The United States became concerned that the Communists could take over Vietnam, which could then further destabilize the region and threaten Cambodia, Laos, Thailand, Indonesia, and eventually even Australia.  There was also proof that North Vietnam was sending troops from its regular army into the South, which was a clear violation of the South's national sovereignty.  The United States, along with several other countries in the region, recognized this threat and sent troops to assist South Vietnam in its fight against both the Viet Cong and regular North Vietnamese troops, both of which were being supported by billions of dollars in aid from the Soviet Union and Red China.  It should be noted that the deployment of United States troops to Vietnam was done in accordance with American law.  
 
You imply that by deploying troops to Vietnam the United States was meddling in the affairs of Vietnam, and while many South Vietnamese were completely indifferent to politics, there were a substantial number of South Vietnamese that did not want their country to be taken over by the Communists, so it wasn't a matter of the United States dictating how the Vietnamese should live.  Those Vietnamese were very appreciative of the US involvement, and some of them that were able to escape to the United States after the war are appreciative of our commitment to this day.  If you still feel that it was wrong for the United States to send troops to Vietnam to fight Communism, then by extension you should also be willing to condemn the Soviet Union for their support of the North in their campaign to overthrow the South.  North Vietnam would not have prevailed without the weapons, missiles, and aircraft that were supplied by the Soviets.  Was this also illegal? 
 
You also stated that America "lost" in Vietnam, and ind
 
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JTR~~    Smitty273   3/15/2010 1:39:01 PM

continue spreading freedom across the globe eh?? ive been waiting for a comment like this, Hello Vietnam, totally illegal in every sense of the word. there was no viable threat to america, they wanted to stop the spread of communism, sorry but how is that freedom. america wouldnt like it if some one walked into the white house told obama to take a hike and said "your country is going to be ruled the way i want" vietnam was unfair, and america lost anyway, thats what you get for meddling where its not needed. i dont see why america seems to think its gods gift too the world, and has a right to tell everyone else what to do, or to tell them off like little children "naughty vietnam, you shouldnt do that, go to your room, or we will naplam you".

if someone can explain to me how vietnam was a legal war, which was generally acting in the worlds best intrests, then i will happily listen.

good day to you sir

 

Very well, I will hold you to your word that you will happily listen.  Failing that, I hope at least you will consider an alternate point of view.  First of all, you have to consider the geopolitical situation that existed at the time when studying the morality of the Vietnam War.  It may seem silly in 2010 to fear the global spread of Communism, but this was not the case in the 1950's, 60's, 70's, and well into the 80's.  Hundreds of millions of people took this threat very seriously, and recognized that it was the goal of the Soviet Union and China to spread Marxism around the globe.  Nearly every country in the world that bordered a Communist natioin soon found itself dealing with Communist insurgencies within its own borders, and almost all of those Communist insurgencies enjoyed the material and financial support of the Soviet Union and Red China.  This is where the "Domino Theory" came from.  The philosophy there was that the only way to stop the spread of Communism is to prevent it from taking root.  That took a variety of different forms.  In some countries this was done by providing support for a certain country's military and security forces, which could mean everything from weapons to logistical support to intelligence.  In other countries this meant supporting anti-Communist politicians or governmental officials, and yet in others it may have meant having actual American, Brit, French, Australian, et al, military boots on the ground. 

 

That brings us to Vietnam.  Remember that after 1954 or so Vietnam was divided into two countries.  The North was Communist, while the South was a Western-style democracy (though admittedly not always a good one).  Almost immediately North Vietnam began supporting a Communist insurgency in the South (the Viet Cong).  North Vietnam was supported by both the Soviet Union and Communist China.  There was no corresponding anti-Communist insurgency in the North.  The United States became concerned that the Communists could take over Vietnam, which could then further destabilize the region and threaten Cambodia, Laos, Thailand, Indonesia, and eventually even Australia.  There was also proof that North Vietnam was sending troops from its regular army into the South, which was a clear violation of the South's national sovereignty.  The United States, along with several other countries in the region, recognized this threat and sent troops to assist South Vietnam in its fight against both the Viet Cong and regular North Vietnamese troops, both of which were being supported by billions of dollars in aid from the Soviet Union and Red China.  It should be noted that the deployment of United States troops to Vietnam was done in accordance with American law.  

 

You imply that by deploying troops to Vietnam the United States was meddling in the affairs of Vietnam, and while many South Vietnamese were completely indifferent to politics, there were a substantial number of South Vietnamese that did not want their country to be taken over by the Communists, so it wasn't a matter of the United States dictating how the Vietnamese should live.  Those Vietnamese were very appreciative of the US involvement, and some of them that were able to escape to the United States after the war are appreciative of our commitment to this day.  If you still feel that it was wrong for the United States to send troops to Vietnam to fight Communism, then by extension you should also be willing to condemn the Soviet Un
 
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Merchant_Of_Menace       3/15/2010 6:00:23 PM

continue spreading freedom across the globe eh?? ive been waiting for a comment like this, Hello Vietnam, totally illegal in every sense of the word. there was no viable threat to america, they wanted to stop the spread of communism, sorry but how is that freedom. america wouldnt like it if some one walked into the white house told obama to take a hike and said "your country is going to be ruled the way i want" vietnam was unfair, and america lost anyway, thats what you get for meddling where its not needed. i dont see why america seems to think its gods gift too the world, and has a right to tell everyone else what to do, or to tell them off like little children "naughty vietnam, you shouldnt do that, go to your room, or we will naplam you".

if someone can explain to me how vietnam was a legal war, which was generally acting in the worlds best intrests, then i will happily listen.

good day to you sir

 

Very well, I will hold you to your word that you will happily listen.  Failing that, I hope at least you will consider an alternate point of view.  First of all, you have to consider the geopolitical situation that existed at the time when studying the morality of the Vietnam War.  It may seem silly in 2010 to fear the global spread of Communism, but this was not the case in the 1950's, 60's, 70's, and well into the 80's.  Hundreds of millions of people took this threat very seriously, and recognized that it was the goal of the Soviet Union and China to spread Marxism around the globe.  Nearly every country in the world that bordered a Communist natioin soon found itself dealing with Communist insurgencies within its own borders, and almost all of those Communist insurgencies enjoyed the material and financial support of the Soviet Union and Red China.  This is where the "Domino Theory" came from.  The philosophy there was that the only way to stop the spread of Communism is to prevent it from taking root.  That took a variety of different forms.  In some countries this was done by providing support for a certain country's military and security forces, which could mean everything from weapons to logistical support to intelligence.  In other countries this meant supporting anti-Communist politicians or governmental officials, and yet in others it may have meant having actual American, Brit, French, Australian, et al, military boots on the ground. 

 

That brings us to Vietnam.  Remember that after 1954 or so Vietnam was divided into two countries.  The North was Communist, while the South was a Western-style democracy (though admittedly not always a good one).  Almost immediately North Vietnam began supporting a Communist insurgency in the South (the Viet Cong).  North Vietnam was supported by both the Soviet Union and Communist China.  There was no corresponding anti-Communist insurgency in the North.  The United States became concerned that the Communists could take over Vietnam, which could then further destabilize the region and threaten Cambodia, Laos, Thailand, Indonesia, and eventually even Australia.  There was also proof that North Vietnam was sending troops from its regular army into the South, which was a clear violation of the South's national sovereignty.  The United States, along with several other countries in the region, recognized this threat and sent troops to assist South Vietnam in its fight against both the Viet Cong and regular North Vietnamese troops, both of which were being supported by billions of dollars in aid from the Soviet Union and Red China.  It should be noted that the deployment of United States troops to Vietnam was done in accordance with American law.  

 

You imply that by deploying troops to Vietnam the United States was meddling in the affairs of Vietnam, and while many South Vietnamese were completely indifferent to politics, there were a substantial number of South Vietnamese that did not want their country to be taken over by the Communists, so it wasn't a matter of the United States dictating how the Vietnamese should live.  Those Vietnamese were very appreciative of the US involvement, and some of them that were able to escape to the United States after the war are appreciative of our commitment to this day.  If you still feel that it was wrong for the United States to send troops to Vietnam to fight Communism, then by extension you should also be willing to condemn the Soviet Un
 
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smitty237       3/17/2010 12:21:36 AM




continue spreading freedom across the globe eh?? ive been waiting for a comment like this, Hello Vietnam, totally illegal in every sense of the word. there was no viable threat to america, they wanted to stop the spread of communism, sorry but how is that freedom. america wouldnt like it if some one walked into the white house told obama to take a hike and said "your country is going to be ruled the way i want" vietnam was unfair, and america lost anyway, thats what you get for meddling where its not needed. i dont see why america seems to think its gods gift too the world, and has a right to tell everyone else what to do, or to tell them off like little children "naughty vietnam, you shouldnt do that, go to your room, or we will naplam you".

if someone can explain to me how vietnam was a legal war, which was generally acting in the worlds best intrests, then i will happily listen.
 
good day to you sir
Very well, I will hold you to your word that you will happily listen.  Failing that, I hope at least you will consider an alternate point of view.  First of all, you have to consider the geopolitical situation that existed at the time when studying the morality of the Vietnam War.  It may seem silly in 2010 to fear the global spread of Communism, but this was not the case in the 1950's, 60's, 70's, and well into the 80's.  Hundreds of millions of people took this threat very seriously, and recognized that it was the goal of the Soviet Union and China to spread Marxism around the globe.  Nearly every country in the world that bordered a Communist natioin soon found itself dealing with Communist insurgencies within its own borders, and almost all of those Communist insurgencies enjoyed the material and financial support of the Soviet Union and Red China.  This is where the "Domino Theory" came from.  The philosophy there was that the only way to stop the spread of Communism is to prevent it from taking root.  That took a variety of different forms.  In some countries this was done by providing support for a certain country's military and security forces, which could mean everything from weapons to logistical support to intelligence.  In other countries this meant supporting anti-Communist politicians or governmental officials, and yet in others it may have meant having actual American, Brit, French, Australian, et al, military boots on the ground. 
That brings us to Vietnam.  Remember that after 1954 or so Vietnam was divided into two countries.  The North was Communist, while the South was a Western-style democracy (though admittedly not always a good one).  Almost immediately North Vietnam began supporting a Communist insurgency in the South (the Viet Cong).  North Vietnam was supported by both the Soviet Union and Communist China.  There was no corresponding anti-Communist insurgency in the North.  The United States became concerned that the Communists could take over Vietnam, which could then further destabilize the region and threaten Cambodia, Laos, Thailand, Indonesia, and eventually even Australia.  There was also proof that North Vietnam was sending troops from its regular army into the South, which was a clear violation of the South's national sovereignty.  The United States, along with several other countries in the region, recognized this threat and sent troops to assist South Vietnam in its fight against both the Viet Cong and regular North Vietnamese troops, both of which were being supported by billions of dollars in aid from the Soviet Union and Red China.  It should be noted that the deployment of United States troops to Vietnam was done in accordance with American law.  
You imply that by deploying troops to Vietnam the United States was meddling in the affairs of Vietnam, and while many South Vietnamese were completely indifferent to politics, there were a substantial number of South Vietnamese that did not want their country to be taken over by the Communists, so it wasn't a matter of the United States dictating how the Vietnamese should live.  Those Vietnamese were very appreciative of the US involvement, and some of them that were able to escape to the United States after the war are appreciative of our commitm
 
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JTR~~    thanks for your response   3/17/2010 1:19:24 PM









continue spreading freedom across the globe eh?? ive been waiting for a comment like this, Hello Vietnam, totally illegal in every sense of the word. there was no viable threat to america, they wanted to stop the spread of communism, sorry but how is that freedom. america wouldnt like it if some one walked into the white house told obama to take a hike and said "your country is going to be ruled the way i want" vietnam was unfair, and america lost anyway, thats what you get for meddling where its not needed. i dont see why america seems to think its gods gift too the world, and has a right to tell everyone else what to do, or to tell them off like little children "naughty vietnam, you shouldnt do that, go to your room, or we will naplam you".



if someone can explain to me how vietnam was a legal war, which was generally acting in the worlds best intrests, then i will happily listen.

 

good day to you sir


Very well, I will hold you to your word that you will happily listen.  Failing that, I hope at least you will consider an alternate point of view.  First of all, you have to consider the geopolitical situation that existed at the time when studying the morality of the Vietnam War.  It may seem silly in 2010 to fear the global spread of Communism, but this was not the case in the 1950's, 60's, 70's, and well into the 80's.  Hundreds of millions of people took this threat very seriously, and recognized that it was the goal of the Soviet Union and China to spread Marxism around the globe.  Nearly every country in the world that bordered a Communist natioin soon found itself dealing with Communist insurgencies within its own borders, and almost all of those Communist insurgencies enjoyed the material and financial support of the Soviet Union and Red China.  This is where the "Domino Theory" came from.  The philosophy there was that the only way to stop the spread of Communism is to prevent it from taking root.  That took a variety of different forms.  In some countries this was done by providing support for a certain country's military and security forces, which could mean everything from weapons to logistical support to intelligence.  In other countries this meant supporting anti-Communist politicians or governmental officials, and yet in others it may have meant having actual American, Brit, French, Australian, et al, military boots on the ground. 


That brings us to Vietnam.  Remember that after 1954 or so Vietnam was divided into two countries.  The North was Communist, while the South was a Western-style democracy (though admittedly not always a good one).  Almost immediately North Vietnam began supporting a Communist insurgency in the South (the Viet Cong).  North Vietnam was supported by both the Soviet Union and Communist China.  There was no corresponding anti-Communist insurgency in the North.  The United States became concerned that the Communists could take over Vietnam, which could then further destabilize the region and threaten Cambodia, Laos, Thailand, Indonesia, and eventually even Australia.  There was also proof that North Vietnam was sending troops from its regular army into the South, which was a clear violation of the South's national sovereignty.  The United States, along with several other countries in the region, recognized this threat and sent troops to assist South Vietnam in its fight against both the Viet Cong and regular North Vietnamese troops, both of which were being supported by billions of dollars in aid from the Soviet Union and Red China.  It should be noted that the deployment of United States troops to Vietnam was done in accordance with American law.  


You imply that by deploying troops to Vietnam the United States was meddling in the affairs of Vietnam, and while many South Vietnamese were completely indifferent to politics, there were a
 
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MeTaNa       9/10/2010 3:13:00 PM
US hase been defeated many times:

First Cold war.
Korean war
Vietnamese War and...

and now it is certain that Russia can defeat that foolish United States.
 
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warpig       9/10/2010 10:44:29 PM

US hase been defeated many times:



First Cold war.

Korean war

Vietnamese War and...



and now it is certain that Russia can defeat that foolish United States.



Not only are you 0 for 3 above, I would be quite entertained to see Russia try to come over here and prove your last assertion.
 
 
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lightningrod       9/27/2010 1:34:36 PM
Good Grief...


Lets just assume for a moment that Russia had the resolve and believed to have the justification to try defeat the USA like they did Nazi Germany. Let us also assume just to be nice that the USA has slashed the size of its Navy and Air force by 1/2.  How exactly would the Russians get their men and supplies past the 1/2 strength US Navy and Air force to even be in position to engage the Ground forces of the USA on its territory? While Russia is still a powerful country that USA has no desire or reason to be at war with, but if one wants to play these "What if" games start by learning  a little about Logistics.  
 
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myhandlewontfi       11/27/2010 8:14:20 PM
Some one could hack into Norad and then while all the usa's defences are gone launch a strike with their own bombs hmmm :P
Hope that dosnt happen.
 
Big empires mostly get weak b4 they fall, i cant really see it happening here today, maybe tommorow.
 
On the other hand it is a brave new world, and nanotechnology, bioenginering, and computerhacking are just some of the challenges of the future.
 
 
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