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Subject: Will anyone ever defeat the American army?
sooner    1/24/2004 2:13:23 PM
Will anyone ever defeat the American army?
 
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McDohl    RE:Will anyone ever defeat the American army?   2/21/2006 11:31:02 AM
The only possible invasion that could defeat the US would be a combination of Russia, China and mabey India.Even if the EU would help the US I doubt that there would be much to help.
 
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displacedjim    RE:Will anyone ever defeat the American army?   2/21/2006 2:30:35 PM
"Even if the EU would help the US I doubt that there would be much to help." -- McDohl ---- I'm trying to figure out exactly what you're saying here. The best I can do is assume you meant something like "Even if the EU would help the US I doubt that there would be much NEED to help." Russia, China, and India combined haven't got a chance of successfully invading America in the foreseeable future. The only possible way for them to get people ashore and keep them ashore is if they all-out nuke our military first, and then after we nuke them back they still keep coming and coming until maybe finally wearing us down to the point that after millions of casualties they win. There's way too much unpredictability in that scenario to make a decent assessment of who'd win. If no nukes are involved, then they couldn't possibly take over America. Displacedjim Displacedjim
 
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McDohl    RE:Will anyone ever defeat the American army?   2/21/2006 10:20:27 PM
but if every one gets nuked no one will be defending the shores and no one will be invading no one.Im saying future wise and thats mabey if they combine their forcess or something.
 
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Mex101    RE:Will anyone ever defeat the American army?   2/22/2006 4:47:44 PM
I did not Read this post in full, but may I ask what it is doing in the Russia Board in not in the US board?
 
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UCSDT    RE:Will anyone ever defeat the American army?   3/29/2006 11:52:28 PM
If WW3 started today, then every major player would be nuked to oblivion. Then the africans and the south americans will rise to power and rule the world while we rot in our radioactive citeis. Now in a conventional war, no nation or combination of likely nations have the power projection ability to defeat the US.
 
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UCSDT    RE:Will anyone ever defeat the American army?   3/29/2006 11:53:30 PM
If WW3 started today, then every major player would be nuked to oblivion. Then the africans and the south americans will rise to power and rule the world while we rot in our radioactive cities. LOL! Now in a conventional war, no nation or combination of likely nations have the power projection ability to defeat the US. Edit: spelling
 
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Fred (SAS    RE:Will anyone ever defeat the American army?   5/25/2006 3:15:03 PM
Actually to be logical, i dont think that anyone nation at this time comes close to matching the US when it comes to projection of forces. But to answer the question.. the answer is yes, The US can be defeated by China, but only if you give it some rational, logical and economical thought, and are not biased by overly patriotic and mindless ideas. Success in war is not achieved by mindless ramblings and virtual demonstrations of invincible power. To understand what it takes to defeat a superpower, you have ask yourself why it is NOT possible to defeat that superpower. First of all the US is an economically developed country (This meaning it is near, or at its peak in terms of productivity). As a result, it has the money and the access to resources to develop and maintain technologically advanced forces to fight a war. The US is the third largest country in the world by population; about 300 million (300,000,000) people. A developed nation's military and economic size is limited mainly by its population. Hence the US is the richest nation in the world (As of this year (2006) 11 Trillion US dollars. Source: CIA World Fact Book 2006). All other developed nation's Gross National Products are limited in this way. if you look at Japan for instance, the Japanese population is about half that of US, hence.. so is their GNP, and so on for Germany, Britain etc. etc. China on the other has a population of 1.3 billion (1,300,000,000,000) people. (China's GNP is about 8 Trillion US dollars) The second largest in the world, and within 6 to 10 years will overtake the US GNP, if at least sustained at their current growth rate. Yet, China is considered a third world nation. So at this point we have to look at how we currently view the balance of world power. Today, we still see the West as the rich primarily white nations projecting power and dominating world economic and military affairs. Yet here we have a non-white third world country that already richer than all but one of the western nations and growing larger with every passing day. Now, I think this question deals with the future, so I will talk about it in that perspective. The US at the moment is at the cutting edge of technology, and when you ask why it can be defeated, you will probably bring up the facts that US has a large army, the best armoured tanks, airforce etc, etc. I agree, it does. However, a large part of the acceptance of US dominance is also due to its allies The other countries around it who trade with it, eg UK, Europe, Central America, South America etc. Smaller countries around it will look to become friendly with and form alliances their larger neighbour. Eg. Look at Cold War Period. Nato. vs Warsaw. America the main player in NATO had it friendly allies around it. Russia the main player in WARSAW Pact had it friendly allies around it These allies were there cause they thought that on both sides the main players had the money and the military strength to fight, and with their help, they'd win. The Warsaw Pact lost.. because Russia's economy couldn't take the strain.. and broke down. Russia's allies now looked to the rich winner. The US Now look at this senario... 50 Years from now. China is the biggest richest nation in the world. All the countries in Asia look to China for economical and financial help. They want military protection as well of course. America can't project forces where its not wanted. Cause all the countries around are chinese allies. The Europeans will start looking to China for trade even more. The Japanese? Why should they trade with just US when they got a booming chinese economy right across their bay ? China is taking the same path that US has taken.. i.e to be the biggest and best. economically and technologically. The US with it free enterprise economy cannot ignore China. Their people want a piece of the pie as well .. so to say Can the US find some excuse to be hostile to China? No. They cant exactly drop trading sanctions on them, and expect the Europeans to follow suit.. never mind the Asians Even if they do. they'd just be hurting their own people. No more cheap high quality TVs and VCRs for US. US quality way of life goes down the drain. Not so popular anymore, and now that US trading countries are switching from trading with US to mainly trading with China, they'd be bascially killing their own economy.. All the while China's GNP, and its GNP per capita are rising. Commerical and economic propaganda and media attention are on China. Our children's children looking at chinese teenagers and saying they are hip and cool.. whats the next big thing ? chinese Rock ? chinese POP, chinese Hip Hop? Ladies and Gents.. The book is being rewritten as we speak... During the Cold War we learned that the communists were evil bastards. (KILL THE COMMIES!!) US and EU propaganda ? Look at your TV... The Communists are now the richest country
 
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tigertony    RE:Will anyone ever defeat the American army?/Fred???   5/25/2006 8:35:22 PM
Attention Mr Flintstone!!! The USA can never be invaded by another nation.And why??? Well because our citizens pack more firepower then any third world army!!!. We shoot eachother without thought!!!. Now just picture Mr CCP trying to get from one side of Harlem to the other!!!. If the ghetto dont kill them "The street gangs and thugs will!!!". And if they dont kill them "The KKK and Nazi Party of America will" and if they dont kill them "I am sure all them NRA cardholders will!!!" and if they dont kill them "I bet our nukes will!!!". Do you remember MAD??? Well i promise you Uncle Sam does!!!. Now since we invented the weapon and already used it upon our fellow man,not once but twice "What will be left of the USA or the World to rule???" Answer: Well the Cuban Missle Crisis proved which side will flinch. The only way the USA will fall is "From within!!!" and "That is called a civil war,not a foreign invasion" so "Just ask Mr Lincoln!!!" Have A Nice Evening Fred,and btw how's Barney??? tigertony
 
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Fred (SAS    RE:Will anyone ever defeat the American army?/Fred???   5/25/2006 9:45:13 PM
TigerTony.. lol.. i'm sry man. i didnt mean to rock your world and scare the living daylights outta you.. You missed the point of the argument It wasnt about invasion, The point i was making was, that 50 years from, the US will have no reason to attack china for the same reason that UK or another developed country has no reason to attack the US. The economic trade ramifications would be too large. The results being similar to if the US economy experience a massive downfall tomorrow. It would seriously affect all other countries worldwide. Your thinking is too short term and also blinded by nationalism, Money has a lot to do with the US popularity in the world. Why its culture is so powerful and why it has so many allies and so on. And by the way, if you talking about Nukes, an attack on china would affect the entire asia continent, including russia and europe, so nuking china means nuking all of them. that would call for massive retaliation on US. No one would want to die for the second richest nation in the world.. :) And the concept of MAD isnt totally sound. While US would prob wipe out most of china, their massive population would almost ensure that some chinese would survive. The same cannot be said for the US... If if you wanna get racist. I couldnt care less for any KKK people. as far as i'm concerned they are arent even part of the human race.. they're white race. :P So i wouldn't be the least concerned about them :) Anyways, like i said earlier. you misinterpreted the arguement. Peace And no wories bout the insult to my name either :P
 
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McDohl    RE:Will anyone ever defeat the American army?/Fred???   5/26/2006 12:15:39 PM
yah that would be nice some kkk or "gangsters" shooting at trained Chinese soldiers I wonder who would win? watch out for the daily drive by Chinese soldiers there really gona get you..........
 
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