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Subject: Will anyone ever defeat the American army?
sooner    1/24/2004 2:13:23 PM
Will anyone ever defeat the American army?
 
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MiddleKingdom    Chinese Dominance in the Shadows...   9/1/2004 10:39:16 PM
Chinese business men controls the economies of Southeast Asian countires like my country the Philippines and others like Malaysia , Thailand , Vietnam , singapore..Chinese influence is way much powerul than American..Chinese are good at influencing and redirecting their enemies strength to them..Chinese has superior numbers , tanks , missiles , and most of all their Nationalism..their genius theis brains! Sun-Tzu a Chinese!!! wrote the Art of War and it is really effective..The Tigers of Asia uses the principles of Confucius a Chinese!! in their economy..You thought that everything is produced in US! you thought wrong all products were manafactured and produced in China! they were only exported to the US. Im not hatin the Us...but i think CHina is more superior..Asians are down with Asians not with Imperialist Westerners..Asian Hackers are the best..The Filipino student did a LOT of damage to the US..the virus they called "i Love you"...so better watch out your electronic dependent army might blow without being hit..Hackers can easily get into your systems...
 
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Maple man    RE:Will anyone ever defeat the American army?   9/3/2004 12:22:00 AM
If you look back in time ALL empires fall,Romans,Germans,Japanese etc etc.I beleive like all other empires the U.S. will fall BUT it won't be because of war it will be economic.They can remain in debt for only so long especially when the debt we speak of is in the trillions.
 
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cowboy caesar    RE:Will anyone ever defeat the American army?   9/3/2004 2:11:18 AM
>They can remain in debt for only so long especially when the debt we speak of is in the trillions< Yeah, I agree the debt situation could be better, but there's no reason to think it's not sustainable for the forseeable future. As long as the government can keep paying for the debt, it's sustainable indefinitely and can keep growing indefinitely.
 
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thenenea    Foreign debpt...   9/3/2004 2:41:02 AM
Well, I don't think the US will go bankrupt anytime soon as for the Influence in Asia that's not an issue either. The majority of the Asian countries are resisting any kind of foreign influence. Just thik at what happend when China sent a few divisions in Vietnam at the end of the war with the US. The Vietnamese turned them into mashed potatoes. So it's not only China who's extremely nationalist, all the coutries in the region are. Will China have the power to economically influence the region? Maybe yes, but not to a very large extent. So, returning to the initial reason of this discussion: 1. The US army can be defeated by an alliance. No army is impossible to defeat if the enemy uses the right tactics ,is determined enough and has the manpower and the right weapons. 2. Is this going to happen anytime soon ? I don't think so. The US might have their problems with the internal economy and maybe they should change some of the ways they train and assure funding to their army and their strategy but they still have the most formidable army in the world. So keeping in mind what they are now they'll need to adapt their tactics and weaponry for the future. To some degree they are already doing it but a bit too slow. Also they are still being influenced by the Cold War era way of thinking (big, fast, expensive, etc.) - and I'm thinking the over rated, extremely expensive F22 here and many more. It looks that they should start to listen more to their people in the field and stop wasting billions of dollars for expensive, theoretically cutting edge, yet to be proven technology. 3. Is China strong enough to take on the US ? I think it is. And by making an alliance with some of the Arab states and North Korea they could take the US down. 4. Are they going to do it? No, I don't think so. China is more interested in making money. Chinese have been through their history mostly businessmen. Their army exists in order to protect their economical interests. So in that matter they are much like the US. So why would they attack one of their most important business partners/customers ? 5. To sum this up: The US army can be defeated but this won't happen in the foreseeable future.
 
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Timothy13    RE:Will anyone ever defeat the American army?   9/3/2004 2:36:38 PM
At this present moment, I do not believe any single country in the world can repel a long term, substained conventional attack from the United States of America. No other country simply has the industrial infrastructure, logistical support, mobility, communications, information technology or battle tactics to compete with a force that size. Remember in a conventional scenario, American battle tactics to-date employ a multitude of integrated saturation attacks from air, land, sea all co-ordinated simaltaneuosly, and directed towards thousands of different C&C, strategic and support targets, all of which happen within seconds of each other. I cannot think of a single country which could confidently counter that level of intensity and layering of attacks. The US currently stands at the zenith of its power. Just as Britain did 150 years ago or the Roman Empire did 1500 years ago. Every monolithic nation has their time. And right now, this one's theirs.
 
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mike1    RE:Will anyone ever defeat the American army?   9/3/2004 4:26:50 PM
Hi all. First time on this board and I have to say it is very interesting. Just read all the post on this topic to catch up (my eyes are killing me) and enjoyed posts by "thenenea", "jastayme3" and "misplacedjim". I agree with quite a few posters that nothing ever lasts forever. To me "will anyone ever defeat the american army" means the defeat of the entire army. The absolute and unconditional surrender or destruction of the army of the US. Wars may be lost, battles may be lost but the defeat of the "army" would mean its total loss as an extension of US policy and quite probably the end of the US its self, at least in its present form. In which case I can only assume that whatever enemy the "army" would be facing would be destroyed in the same manner by the last gasp of a dying US. So, to answer the question, destroyed? - yes, defeated? - not if that means that the US army is removed "in mass" and someone else remains to claim victory.
 
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Patton620    RE:China or Russia or North Korea surely will..Vietnam and Somalia already did..   9/5/2004 2:35:42 AM
Somalia and Vietnam didn't defeat the American millitary. They defeated the politicans. Thats the truth. Vietnam we won the battles but the the war was not popular in the US so the politicans pulled the troops out. In Somalia, US special forces killed hundreds of the militants but due to political hesitation the we (meaning the US) lost good men. Middle Kingdom your jealousy of US power and dominance on the world stage is contemptous, and sickening. The fact is that America will continue to gain power in spreading freedom across the globe. In short no one will defeat the US millitary its just too coordinated, well trained, and advanced. Any victory for Americas enemies will come as a result of lack of popular support at home.
 
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Patton620    RE:China or Russia or North Korea surely will..Vietnam and Somalia already did..   9/5/2004 2:35:46 AM
Somalia and Vietnam didn't defeat the American millitary. They defeated the politicans. Thats the truth. Vietnam we won the battles but the the war was not popular in the US so the politicans pulled the troops out. In Somalia, US special forces killed hundreds of the militants but due to political hesitation the we (meaning the US) lost good men. Middle Kingdom your jealousy of US power and dominance on the world stage is contemptous, and sickening. The fact is that America will continue to gain power in spreading freedom across the globe. In short no one will defeat the US millitary its just too coordinated, well trained, and advanced. Any victory for Americas enemies will come as a result of lack of popular support at home.
 
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Patton620    RE:China or Russia or North Korea surely will..Vietnam and Somalia already did..   9/5/2004 2:36:19 AM
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ChaoticReefer    RE:Methaphorically speaking...   9/5/2004 4:41:42 AM
Thenenea, It is obvious that you don't know USA's culture and history if you think for a second that China can land on USA and stay alive for a long period of time. In USA, it is estimated there is one gun for each citizen (300 million guns, if my memory serves me correctly. But that does not mean each citizen has a gun). It is in our blood to fight for our freedom as you can see in the present (in every presidency since WW2 we have fought somewhere (for examples, in the Clinton presidency we were fighting somewhere almost every year when he was in office and not to mention the two wars in the Bush's presidency)) and in the past (the obvious biggest examples are our revolution war and civil war where we lost thousands lives just in single battles (58,000 just in one civil war battle alone)). So when you say that USA citizens has no chance fighting against an invasion you are miscalculating deadly wrong. At least 50% will rise up against the invaders, if not, more. Why? Because high majority of the population supports our government, even if we don't agree with the current president, especially over China's oppressive government. If USA turns into a dictatorship then maybe China will have a chance, but that is not going to happen anytime soon. That is just USA's citizens. China would still have to face USA's 4 branches of miltilaries which they have superior technology (it is estimated that it will take China 50 years to come close to USA's technology compacity). No matter how much China defeats them overseas before entering USA they will still have to face them on USA soil, because USA never puts all it's resources overseas. This is why USA is finding it difficult to keep Iraq supplied with men, while keeping USA homeland secured, eventhough, we could easlily double the men in Iraq. Now back to the real topic. When Sooner said "defeat of USA's army" I am going to assume the end of USA's government too. Will USA's army be defeated one day? Of course. It is fact of life. What rises must fall. When? No idea, but no time soon, because that will be a nuclear war if present. And no one will be a winner in that war.
 
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