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Subject: russian millitary muscle
ace    12/7/2003 6:30:42 PM
the russian army has fallen in millitary strenght drasticaly since the sovier union broke up, but their army is still quite credible. they have got numbers and technology. the t 96 has proven to be quite a tank. air power wise, the russians currently mainly use mig 29's, su 30's su 35's have introduced su 37's and are developing su 47's and mig 1.42's. all of which ,if you visit some of the web sites, are quite amazing fighters. their main bombers are the tu-160's . they can carry 40,000 kg, at a max speed of 2,200 km/h for a non refuling distance of 12,300 km and are capable of mid air re fulling. All russian misslies now have a firing range of over 60 degrees, which alowes them to lock on and fire way before the plane faces the enomy head on
 
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wait.wat?    RE:russian millitary muscle (sooner)   2/17/2004 4:04:35 PM
Not only are your views on Russia fairly neutral, but your english is nearly better than sooner's. Well, anyway, I think ace makes a very valid point, it is unfair to compare a 5th generation fighter to a 4th generation fighter. Maybe the Russians are taking awhile to counter the USA's air force, but at least Russia is much closer to the US than many developed countries. Of course nothing can compete with the US.
 
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roadcop    RE:Russian Fighters   2/18/2004 12:16:14 AM
Russia now has in production 4,5-generation fighters, hence small numbers. At least, we manage to keep our production lines busy. Economics is on the rise which means that in several years our Air Force will receive more and more of modern warplanes. And those in service are definitely better than European "new" fighter planes (Typhoon, Raphale), especially in maneuvrability. Also, modern Russian missiles (R-77, R-73 etc.) are awesome.
 
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mustavaris    RE:Russian Fighters   2/21/2004 4:33:13 AM
The hope of military revival in Russia lies within the countryLs economy... Russia must be able to pull the regions beyond great cities into economical developement or their country wonLt be much more than those few cities and their surroundings. In that case they wonLt reach the status of great power in foreseeable future. But the Russia has great potential, rich in resources and certainly ability to develope and use high tech and even though R&D hasnt been as extensive as it used to be in Soviet times, they have managed to present quite a lot of new gadgets. And the good thing is that if (hopefully when) Russia becomes stronger, it becomes more stable too and its good for us all. „ƒ„|„p„r„p!
 
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sooner    RE:russian millitary muscle (sooner)to:wait wat?   2/21/2004 8:06:51 AM
I am an English teacher, tough guy. By the way, you spelled "what" wrong. Someone needs to work on their English.
 
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Phoenix Rising    RE:russian millitary muscle (sooner)   2/21/2004 10:07:17 AM
The problem with most of these new 5th-gen Russian fighters is that most of them exist only in prototype form, or even just on paper. The Su-37 was first shown at an airshow in 1996, it performed admirably. However, the Russian Air Force has not ordered any of the aircraft. Air wings of Su-37's are a pipe dream. The enhanced versions of the Mig-31 (Mig-31M and Mig-31E) suffer from a similar problem, though the basic Mig-31 has obviously been around for a long while now. However, IIRC, the country buying the most Mig-31's recently has not been Russia itself but China. Low production makes maintenance and training with the new planes an extremely difficult chore. It also drives up the cost per unit because of the monopsonistic (one-buyer) nature of the defense market. Does Russia field any actual operational squadrons of 5th-gen fighters? --Phoenix Rising
 
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wait.wat?    RE:russian millitary muscle (sooner)to:wait wat?   2/21/2004 12:51:25 PM
I spelled my name like that on purpose, smart ass. Have I misspelled what once in my posts? Have I misspelled anything in this post? These are two threads you turned against me. Get back on topic. I gotta (oh god that's slang btw, I didn't MISSPELL it) say that I the main oil reserves in Russia has just started being tapped. America needs a non-terrorist country that provides lots of oil. If that's not a giant economy booster, I don't know what is. Phasing out the Middle Eastern oil one Russian barrel at a time. ;)
 
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sooner    RE:russian millitary muscle (sooner)to:wait wat?   2/21/2004 12:57:15 PM
Do you think that we short-changed Russia by invading Iraq? Speaking of the oil issue of course.
 
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wait.wat?    RE:russian millitary muscle (sooner)to:wait wat?   2/21/2004 1:06:03 PM
Well, Russia is not able to be a major oil power just yet. First, the infrastructure must make an accommodation for transporting oil and supplies. The Trans-Siberian Railroad isn't enough. So, until Russia makes that upgrade, the war in Iraq isn't a real disadvantage to Russia's Oil. Though the same can't be said about Russia's Oil Companies.
 
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sooner    RE:russian millitary muscle (sooner)to:wait wat?   2/21/2004 1:11:19 PM
I am sorry I may have underestimated you. You are very updated on the world around you. I thought the Russians had a huge oil contract with Hussein. If no accomodation for transportation of oil and supplies, why such a big contract? Was there infrastructure in the making for the Russians?
 
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sooner    RE:russian millitary muscle (sooner)to:wait wat?   2/21/2004 1:14:53 PM
The Russian government assured Saddam Hussein that the Americans would not invade moments before the invasion began. Did this confidence reside in the UN? No one thought that the Americans would act upon the illegitimacy of the UN Security Council.
 
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