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Subject: Catch Up With USA and Leave It Behind?
CCCP    5/17/2003 8:39:41 PM
State of the Nation address: President Vladimir Putin urges the country to make a great advance It is not accidental that the Russian Government felt very much nervous on the eve of President Putin's State of the Nation address. A speech delivered by Vladimir Putin seriously disagrees with the "stable" relaxation of Mikhail Kasyanov's Cabinet. As the President says, forming of a government is possible with the help of the parliamentary majority, which in its turn sounds rather threatening for the prime minister and other members of the government. The President called for economic mobilization. To tell the truth, the government headed by Mikhail Kasyanov didn't mention this objective within the whole period of the term. President Vladimir Putin called the economic situation in the country difficult. In his words, against the background of success achieved within the past years, some people think that all problems of the country are settled, the future of Russia is successful and predictable and the only problem, as people may think, is that economy must go up 4 or 6% a year. The President emphasized: "I would like to say it is not so. Although Russia's economic foundation has become stronger, it is still unsteady and weak. The political system is not sufficiently developed, the state machine is ineffective, majority of industries are noncompetitive." What is hampering the successive economic growth? At the beginning of his State of the Nation address, Vladimir Putin said he hoped Russia would become a country "with safely protected rights of property, where people can work honestly, where they can earn money without fear and any restrictions." Thus, the President admits that none of the aspects is being completely realized in the country. And this is the actual state of things, indeed. At the beginning of the speech, Vladimir Putin said that rescue of the economy from bureaucracy shackles was one of the main objectives. After three years of Putin's presidency, there are no economic sectors that feel free and valuable because of bureaucracy. At the same time, Vladimir Putin said he hoped that Russia would soon take strong positions among economically advanced and influential states of the world; he said that decisions and actions taken by the authority must be focused on this very objective. "This is a qualitatively new objective and higher degree for the country. This is a degree that Russia failed to reach before because of other pressing problems. Now we have an opportunity to stay on this degree and we must use the chance," said Vladimir Putin. As the President says, Russia has achieved some progress in the economic sphere. "Russia's GDP increased by 20% within the three years. Investments in the capital stock increased by more than 30%. Export of goods increased by 25%, including export of machines, equipment and transport vehicles that went up by more than 70%. It is for the first time within 50 years that Russia acted as an importer of grain, not exporter." However, this is not enough. Russia President Vladimir Putin set the political elite of Russia some super objectives that must be carried out quickly and energetically. The President thinks that first of all Russia must ensure full convertibility of the ruble. At that, the President emphasized that "this is to be not only domestic, but also foreign convertibility of the Russian currency, not only in current transactions, but also in capital ones." Last year, the Russian ruble was one of the world's strongest currencies: the gold ruble's value equaled to the dignity of the country, the president says. Second, Vladimir Putin thinks that GDP doesn't correspond Russia's economic potential. "We must at least double the gross domestic product within ten years," Vladimir Putin says. In his words, this large-scale objective demands a deep analysis and specification of the economic policy approaches. Economy is to register an increase of more than 7% every year to double GDP within ten years. The President thinks that "Russia has every possible condition for realization of this objective." What is more, he says the country has opportunities to start large-scale construction of modern and strong economy that will result in formation of an absolutely competitive state. It is obvious that correct tax structure and flexible approach of the authorities to taxation seriously make for economic development. President Putin thinks that it is necessary to develop and introduce a strategic tax system that could be adequate to economy of the country not within a year or two, but longer. "It is for the first time that the government has switched from the annual to medium-term planning in the taxation policy. A program of taxation changes for the next three years has been recently approved. This is a correct and important step. Now we should go further and develop the outlines of a taxation system that might be effective in Russia w
 
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appleciderus    RE:Catch Up With USA and Leave It Behind?   7/7/2003 10:32:03 PM
A geologist friend, returning from 6 months in Siberia, voiced her dismay with this thought I paraphrase. " I don't understand, they have every resource they need."
 
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CCCP    To ghostship   7/8/2003 1:42:45 PM
Where is WTC? And what's up with US forces in Iraq?
 
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DrCruel    Catch Up With USA and Leave It Behind?   7/8/2003 6:21:33 PM
Only after the US has fallen behind other nations economically. The greatest Russian weaknesses are their parochialism and national love for paranoid fantasies, both very bad attributes for aninternational trader. Nothing you've said makes me believe Russia has changed in these fundamentals.
 
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Red Star v.2    RE:Catch Up With USA and Leave It Behind?   7/11/2003 11:54:35 AM
Russia will not catch up with the USA for at least another 50 years, but hey-will the USA last that long? Starting wars makes enemies! And you don't need an external menace-if you have terrorists roaming in YOUR backyard (come on, Checnya is not the only place)! Look at your nation-your own people are murdering each other at massive rates! Just look-lkids with guns in schools, etc. Add terrorists and fanatics and you never know-with this crime, USA migh just...dissappear (did you know that over twenty Soviet-era nuclear suitcases have dissappeared? Guess where they are!)
 
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Phoenix Rising    RE:Catch Up With USA and Leave It Behind?   7/12/2003 5:29:52 PM
RS2 wrote: "Starting wars makes enemies!" --> Actually, making enemies starts wars, but why quibble? --PR
 
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sooner    RE:Catch Up With USA and Leave It Behind?   1/24/2004 2:07:42 PM
No offense, but Russian will never catch up with the United States. We own earth!
 
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Ex98C    RE:Catch Up With USA and Leave It Behind?   1/24/2004 2:17:49 PM
Since people are using GDP as the ubit of measure here lets just thow out a few figures. By 2050 Russia if lucky will have 1/3 the population of the United States. Therefore to match the PPP Gdp each Person in Russia must be gereratying income at three times that of the average American..just to equal the US..Ain;t gonna happen
 
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cobaltblue    GDP is not a reliable indicator of a national economy   1/26/2004 12:57:23 AM
excerpts from: The Genuine Progress Indicator: Summary of Data and Methodology, Redefining Progress C1995. 1. It is merely a gross tally of products and services bought and sold, with no distinctions between transactions that add to well-being, and those that diminish it. Instead of separating costs from benefits, and productive activities from destructive ones, the GDP assumes that every monetary transaction adds to well-being, by definition. 2. GDP TREATS CRIME, DIVORCE AND NATURAL DISASTERS AS ECONOMIC GAIN 3. GDP IGNORES THE NON-MARKET ECONOMY OF HOUSEHOLD AND COMMUNITY 4. GDP TREATS THE DEPLETION OF NATURAL CAPITAL AS INCOME 5. GDP INCREASES WITH POLLUTING ACTIVITIES AND THEN AGAIN WITH CLEAN-UPS 6. GDP TAKES NO ACCOUNT OF INCOME DISTRIBUTION 7. GDP IGNORES THE DRAWBACKS OF LIVING ON FOREIGN ASSETS
 
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sentinel28a    RE:GDP is not a reliable indicator of a national economy   1/27/2004 12:41:53 PM
I'd like to see Russia catch up. It probably won't happen for another 20 years, assuming American growth stays constant. I can't guess where the suitcase nukes are, but thanks for pointing out who lost them in the first place.
 
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SGTObvious    Fixing the Critique on GDP   1/27/2004 1:35:18 PM
The source is a bit biased, and does little to explain the reasoning. Most of the criticisms are sort of valid but need further correction and explanation. As follows: >>1. It is merely a gross tally of products and services bought and sold, with no distinctions between transactions that add to well-being, and those that diminish it.<< True, but pointless. GDP is designed to assume a free market economy of rational agents, where one ONLY engages in transactions to add to well being. If you live in a Western nation, other than taxes, can you name ONE transaction you entered into expecting no benefit to your well being? >> Instead of separating costs from benefits, and productive activities from destructive ones, the GDP assumes that every monetary transaction adds to well-being, by definition.<< False. GDP deducts the costs of production from the final value of a good or service. What the authors may have been considering, but failed to make clear, are costs incurred to a third party. For example, if I lead my cows to your barn every day for milking, and every day along the way they crap on a neighor's walkway, who then cleans it up himself, GDP will not calculate the costs of his cleanup in figuring the value of your milk production. On the other hand, if I clean it up, and because of the time I spend doing this I bring fewer cows to the dairy, then yes, GDP has incorporated the cost. 2. GDP TREATS CRIME, DIVORCE AND NATURAL DISASTERS AS ECONOMIC GAIN False. GDP treats the real world- with all the events, good or bad- as the baseline. GDP Does NOT assume a "perfect world" with no disasters. When you rebuild after a tornado, you are adding real value to your world, above the baseline. The baseline was the Tornado-wrecked world, not the perfect world which "could" have been. GDP deals with reality. What the author is trying to say, and screwing up badly, is that wealth must account for the value of assets and depreciation, not just production. A tornado decreases your assets, but it has NO effect on your production, so it does not affect GDP. Consider this- if a giant slab of pure gold fell from the sky and landed on your lawn, GDP would not add its value either. GDP is ONLY about production, not assets, resources, etc. >>3. GDP IGNORES THE NON-MARKET ECONOMY OF HOUSEHOLD AND COMMUNITY FALSE. Analysts try to estimate the non-market value of ALL goods and services. But, if I build your roof in trade for your programming my computer, with no money exchanged, it's true, analysts will have a much harder time figuring it out. So can we blame them if they miss some? >4. GDP TREATS THE DEPLETION OF NATURAL CAPITAL AS INCOME False. GDP treats income as income. If a billion barrels of oil were to vanish, it would deplete resources but add nothing to GDP. If it gets pumped, refined, and sold, GDP counts the added value. So, it is more correct to say that "GDP does not account for reductions in assets"- but we already know that, (see above) that's not the job of GDP. So? >>5. GDP INCREASES WITH POLLUTING ACTIVITIES AND THEN AGAIN WITH CLEAN-UPS True, but only if the clean up is "3rd party" see cow example above. >>6. GDP TAKES NO ACCOUNT OF INCOME DISTRIBUTION True. Nor does it account for the flavor of soup, the color of children's hair, or how many swallows return to Capistrano. >>7. GDP IGNORES THE DRAWBACKS OF LIVING ON FOREIGN ASSET True, but again, this is not the point. A measurement of your blood pressure ignores the problems associated with excess ear wax. REAL Issues with GDP- that the critique ignored (you can tell the writer knows little about free market capitolism) GDP assumes a free market. It assumes that the money spent on a good or service is a fair estimate of value, because the transaction was voluntary. It can give very skewed numbers when assigning "free market" values to things purchased INvoluntarily- things purchased with taxes or unavoidable fees, for example. GDP makes allowance for costs, but not costs passed to a third party- soemthing the writer cannot understand. By third party, economists mean ANYONE not part of the transaction which produced the cost. For example, if an auto produces pollution which someone else must clean, neither the car buyer or seller is hit with the cost- so GDP ignores it. GDP gets skewed between countries because of different labor rates. A shined shoe contributes far more to US GDP than Mexican GDP, even though the service is identical, because an American pays more for it. But, is an American shoe shine REALLY equal to 20 Mexican shoe shines? The conclusion- economists know that GDP is only one of MANY statistics used to examine a nation's economy. It happens to be the most frequently quoted figure, so the general public sees it more often. Alone, however, it does not give a true picture. Understand what it is. GDP does NOT measure wealth, (So most of the abo
 
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