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Subject: Russia AND China - The Two Are Allied
HiloBill    5/13/2005 5:17:09 PM
I have posted at another subforum here never realizing that a "Russia Discussion Board" existed. Most all my posts were related to Russia. As I had explained at the other sub-forum, I believe Russia (and China) pose a lethal threat to America and the rest of the West. The website I had been working on for a couple of months is now completed: http://www.thefinalphase.com It is totally commerical free and no money is made there - it is solely for the purpose of raising awareness of the aforementioned threat. Below is my introduction to the site: "The Final Phase" Thesis An Introduction Russia and China are not our friends. They are not our true partners in the war on terror or in the world of free-trade. They engage the West as partners for now while it is to their advantage, but only as a means to an end. Conventional wisdom concludes that Russia and China "need" the West for their long-term national interests and prosperity. They do not; there are other avenues. Today, we establish joint intelligence operations with Russia's FSB (former KGB) in the war on terror and consider them to be full - "need to know" - partners and share our intelligence with them. This is a dangerous partnership. We invite China as a go-between partner in negotiating with North Korea to cajole them to abandon their nuclear program. We entrust China to act in good faith on our behalf when in fact they are more apt to manipulate the tension using North Korea as a potential diversion ploy in sync with their future military designs against Taiwan. Contrary to Beijing’s pronouncements, they are not concerned about Korea’s saber rattling; they welcome it and use it. Russia and China’s continuing modernization of weapon systems - especially strategic - and buildup of military might is rationalized and explained away by sophisticated, hopeful analyses in the West. However, such analyses fall short of adequately assessing their true threat and intentions. It appears no one dares say or even suggest what could be behind their growing military posture and mutual relationship. Besides, it is now a universally accepted notion that terrorism poses the largest and most imminent threat to the West. Whatever threat Russia and China may pose in the future it has taken a back seat to the more immediate concern of terrorism. (Ironically, there is a distinct possibility that today's terrorism may be interrelated to - part and parcel of - coordinated efforts and influence of Russia and China in the form of asymmetrical and proxy warfare against the West. For example, see Drugs, Russia & Terrorism and China's Military Planners Took Credit for 9/11.) Although masked to varying degrees, Russia and China are hostile toward the West and are jointly aligned with an objective to permanently end the West's "hegemony." The United States and Great Britain have abandoned their Cold War posture and are restructuring their intelligence organizations and concepts compelled by the new threat posed by terrorism. Defense is likewise restructuring and abandoning many of its heavy war-fighting concepts and components. It appears to be beyond the comprehension of Western intelligence that Russia and China may be acting in collusion and coordination against the West. Our preconceived notions about their supposed "primordial distrust" of one another tends to render this concern moot. We view Russia and China as two, distinctly separate nations pursuing their own national interests. But, what if Western intelligence is wrong? Less then two months before the 9/11 attacks, Russia and China signed a treaty in Moscow, on 16 July 2001, which may contain what some intelligence analysts suspect are secret military codicils beyond its overt provisions. However, even its overt language clearly indicates Russia will join China militarily should an "aggressor" interfere with its "internal affairs" over the issue of Taiwan. What are the ramifications of a militarily unified Russia and China to the world's balance of power? Has this been seriously considered by Western intelligence? At this late stage of "the final phase" plans of Russia and China, it may be too late for the West to awaken in time to thwart the emerging threat of their covert strategic alliance - time is running out. "The Final Phase" The threat posed by Russia and China - which trumps the threat of terrorism - does not originate in their alliance of 16 July 2001. The threat goes back much further than that. In 1961, a KGB major defected from Russia and unsuccessfully tried to warn Western intelligence of a long-range strategic deception planned against the West. The defector was Anatoliy Golitsyn. He said that Russia and China would feign a split between themselves in order to work a "scissors strategy" against the West. Confident that the West would try to take advantage of an apparent split between them, they pursued myriad ploys - including border cl
 
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HiloBill    RE:Russia AND China - The Two Are Allied   9/13/2005 4:05:42 PM
TheFinalPhase.com has been updated: http://www.thefinalphase.com HB
 
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HiloBill    RE:Russia AND China - The Two Are Allied   11/22/2005 12:36:33 PM
Here's something recent (22 Nov 05) about EMP as a weapon against the US, which Russia had spent many years perfecting and which China today has been developing (as mentioned in this article): The Washington Times U.S. seen vulnerable to space 'pulse' attack By Bill Gertz THE WASHINGTON TIMES Published November 22, 2005 The United States is highly vulnerable to attack from electronic pulses caused by a nuclear blast in space, according to a new book on threats to U.S. security. A single nuclear weapon carried by a ballistic missile and detonated a few hundred miles over the United States would cause "catastrophe for the nation" by damaging electricity-based networks and infrastructure, including computers and telecommunications, according to "War Footing: 10 Steps America Must Take to Prevail in the War for the Free World." "This is the single most serious national-security challenge and certainly the least known," said Frank J. Gaffney Jr. of the Center for Security Policy, a former Pentagon official and lead author of the book, which includes contributions by 34 security and intelligence specialists. An electromagnetic-pulse (EMP) attack uses X-rays and gamma rays produced in a nuclear blast in three separate waves of pulses, each with more damaging effects, and would take months or years to repair, the book states. The damage to unshielded electronics would be irreversible. The EMP danger was highlighted recently by a special congressional commission that has received little public attention and is considered a unique way for rogue states such as North Korea and Iran, or other enemies such as al Qaeda, to use nuclear weapons in the future. Al Qaeda is known to be seeking nuclear weapons, according to documents uncovered at the terrorist group's facilities in Afghanistan. The group could use a freighter equipped with a short-range ballistic missile to fire a nuclear missile over the United States, the book said, noting that North Korea sells its own version of the Scud for around $100,000. North Korea, in recent nuclear talks in Beijing, threatened to export its nuclear weapons, and Iran already has tested a Scud-missile launch from a ship. An EMP attack would damage the national power grid, unprotected computers and all devices containing microchips, from medical instruments to military communications, and knock out electronic systems in cars, airplanes and those used in banking and finance and emergency services. "An EMP attack potentially represents a high-tech means for terrorists to kill millions of Americans the old-fashioned way, through starvation and disease," the book said. "Although the direct physical effects of EMP are harmless to people, a well-designed and well-executed EMP attack could kill indirectly far more Americans than a nuclear weapon detonated in our most populous city." North Korea has been learning about EMP weapons from Russia, which is believed to have worked on EMPs for decades. China is also working on EMP arms, according to a recent Pentagon report. The book calls for taking 10 actions to protect the free world from an array of 21st-century threats, including hardening U.S. infrastructures against an EMP attack and countering Islamist fascism through ideological counterproposals. Copyright © 2005 News World Communications, Inc. All rights reserved.
 
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serpentx777    RE:Russia AND China - The Two Are Allied   12/4/2005 12:16:37 PM
The Question is, is anyone doing anything about it? If an EMP attack crippled the U.S. it would be New Orleans in every major city without all the water.
 
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HiloBill    RE:Russia AND China - The Two Are Allied   12/5/2005 5:36:20 PM
Serpentx777, You're right. Such an attack would be like new New Orleans all over the country (for those areas affected). But, actually, it would be worse than that as electrical devices would be fried beyond repair - they'd have to be replaced. It would resemble more of a Y2K scenario than Katrina. Our nation's acute vulnerability to EMP or other forms of attack won't be realized, unfortunately, until after the fact. Moreover, to stop such attacks are difficult or impossible at best. __ Here's a thread I just posted on the Intelligence forum: "The Final Phase Theory" (TFP). TFP is the central core of this thread here on Russia and China. HB “The Final Phase” Theory [This is not meant as an in-depth presentation, however, especailly after reading some of the commentary in the Angleton thread and the Intel Isn't the Problem thread, it might be fitting to give this item its own posting. I wrote this today (5 Dec 05) and posted on a different forum. - HB] For those who are interested in this, I'll lay out a synopsis below of what "the final phase" is in relationship to explaining the actions of Putin, Russia, China, et. al. Granted, this is a "theory," but it is not a baseless, conspiracy theory that requires innuendo and supposition for “proof.” It is based on - at least - two defectors' information brought to the West in the 60's and 70's and is documented in various writings of theirs and others. There are many wild conspiracy theories afloat these days, which deserve scorn. In my view, those theories that say a secret cabal within our own governmental structures (“The Powers That Be”) which would pre-plant explosives in the Murrah Building in Oklahoma (the same for the WTC Towers); attach missiles to the jet that crashed into the Pentagon; allude to an Israeli component to the New World Order theory of nefarious undertakings (note the anti-Semitism behind such theories); oil corporations’ (along with the Bush’s, Cheney’s, et. al.) total-controlling ways and designs; Western elites conniving to usher in world domination; etc., etc., etc., are baseless “theories” that require an incredible amount – ultimately – of blind faith and belief in issues based on innuendo, supposition, and which judges various manifestations of incompetence, stupidity, naiveté, and/or wishful thinking on the part of our elected leadership as somehow being intentional, malicious, and nefarious intent – a secret cabal of the rich and influential (an interchangeable term: “capitalists”). Understandably – especially in light of the theories mentioned above – there are some who will immediately reject “the final phase” theory as nonsense, due in part to some other theories afloat these days. But, all I can express to you is that I have been following this for over 16 years and all the events that have unfolded in the East in the intervening years only convinces more of its validity. (To read a more in-depth presentation of the following synopsis, please read the introduction at ) Very briefly, “the final phase” theory is this: Anatoliy Golitsyn (a Ukrainian who became a major in the KGB) defected to the West in 1961. He had first-hand knowledge of a planned restructuring of Russia’s intelligence organizations combined with a long-range plan of strategic deception against the West aimed at its eventual destruction. He said that the Sino-Soviet split was a “scissors strategy” which would fake enmity between these two communist nations in order to play off the West’s expected response of taking advantage of the split by making China a stronger nation in order to neutralize Russia’s threat. (Sino-Soviet border clashes in the 60’s – where real battles were fought, real blood was shed, and real lives were lost were all part of the larger plan and factored in as acceptable, calculated “losses.”) Golitsyn said that Nixon’s rapprochement of China was exactly what the scissors strategy had in mind and one of its objectives. (Look at China today.) Golitsyn said, that in “the final phase” of the strategic deception, Russia and China would become openly allied (note the formal alliance of 16 July 2001), but that such alliance would not alarm the West – at the time of their future open alliance - due to the successful effect of the scissors strategy on the West’s perceptions. He said the West has failed to properly analyze developments in the East due to a flawed understanding of the concepts behind Russia and China’s thinking, which is based on dialectical thought. The long-range strategic deception is very much based on the apparent manifestation of opposition forces, which look the West as signs of chaos or dissembled, fractured unions. In 1984 (although written and warned about long before then), Golitsyn’s book New Lies for Old was published (Gorbachev did not come to power until 1985 – the USSR did not “dissolve” until Christmas Day, 1991). In his book, he said
 
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HiloBill    RE:Russia AND China - The Two Are Allied   1/2/2006 8:06:40 PM
A very spot-on article about the Russia and China collusion: Weekly Column - 12.23.2005 The Undead Again by J. R. Nyquist Writing in the Dec. 20th Wall Street Journal, Robert Kaplan tells us that Nepal “could be the first country since the fall of the Berlin Wall where communists emerge triumphant.” In saying this, Kaplan glosses over the finer details of South African, Venezuelan and Brazilian politics. He forgets the triumphant communist revolution in Congo and the red elephant “hidden” in the back room of German politics. Because we are not allowed to say that communism is alive and well, every instant of communist victory is without larger significance. We must not interpret acts of subversion or agitation, however blatant, as coordinated or inspired by the apparatus of the old communist international. We simply mustn’t! The peace movement, anti-Americanism, labor unrest, campus radicalism, international terrorism, and every other form of revolutionary protest was, at one time, encouraged by communist outlets (like the Communist Party USA). But now it seems that nobody is watching the communists. Nobody thinks they are capable of making trouble. Indeed, we no longer seem interested in attaching the “communist” label to those inspired by Karl Marx or his latter-day followers. It isn’t polite to remember that communists have always portrayed themselves as agrarian reformers, populists, democrats and social democrats. And so we accept the deceptive labels that men like Fidel Castro, Lula da Silva and Evo Morales employ. Meanwhile, a renewed and extended communist bloc is emerging – tied to Beijing and Moscow. But why take alarm? After all, everyone knows that “communism is dead.” And besides, a country like Nepal is unimportant. Who cares about Nepal? The Bush Administration, according to Kaplan, “has bought into popular abstractions about how to best implant democracy while ignoring the facts on the ground.” And so the communists will win. the beginning of the Cold War to its supposed end, the communist bloc excelled at espionage, subversion and psychological warfare. With a tradition of feigned retreat and reform, Soviet Russia engaged in a great peace offensive in the late 1980s. This offensive was coupled with far-reaching domestic reforms. Under the leadership of Mikhail Gorbachev, Moscow exchanged a bloated neo-Stalinist façade for an autocratically managed democracy. The change was deceptive. Last March 6, Washington Times columnist Bill Gertz reported on a meeting of U.S. intelligence officials in Texas. According to Gertz, CIA official Barry Royden revealed that the “Russian intelligence services are targeting U.S. troops in the Middle East for recruitment as agents, as well as seeking recruits among Americans in Russia.” Royden said that Russian intelligence officers were using “very aggressive actions,” like entrapment and blackmail to recruit American citizens and servicemen. As for the Chinese communists, a senior FBI counterintelligence official told Gertz that “Chinese activities are a major threat – specifically Beijing’s covert targeting of U.S. weapons technology.” Now why would the Russians and Chinese – our dear friends – engage in such activity? Several months ago a retired Cold War spy sent me a note. He characterized the situation in Eastern Europe as follows: “The communist forces have reorganized themselves under new ‘name tags’ but their goals are still the same: to dominate the world and to destroy the enemies of their wicked ideology. I am not naïve,” he added. “I don’t believe in political declarations and slogans. I am trying to follow up facts of life. And these facts are more and more alarming. The foreign policy of G.W. Bush is irresponsible…. The United States are unable even to control Iraq, not to speak of the world. [The] Russians and Chinese are quietly building up a huge first strike and destruction capability, deceiving the U.S. and Europe. The scheme is emerging more and more clearly. The NATO alliance is becoming more and more weak and downgraded by the NATO members themselves.” Another Cold War spy, KGB defector Anatoliy Golitsyn, predicted this would happen in a 1984 book titled New Lies for Old. Golitsyn was a senior analyst in the NATO section of the Information Department of the KGB. He defected in December 1961 and ended up working for the CIA in the 1960s, becoming closely associated with CIA counterintelligence chief James Angleton. By the mid-1970s Golitsyn and Angleton’s views on Soviet strategy were decisively rejected by the CIA, and both were sent into retirement. By 1975 the leaders of U.S. intelligence had dismissed Golitsyn’s analysis as “sick think.” Sick or not, Golitsyn accurately predicted the collapse of communism more than five years before it began. He predicted that a younger, more liberal Soviet ruler would soon appear and a period of reform would be initiated. Golitsyn’s 1984 book carefully outlined the types
 
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McDohl    RE:Russia AND China - The Two Are Allied   2/20/2006 10:32:24 PM
to Hilobill I just wanted to say or add why did the Soviets back out of Cuba and their nukes,why what were they scared of a US invasion at that time would of left US forcess destroyed and probebly the USSR destroyed too.Why because of the long term plan I think.
 
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HiloBill    RE:Russia AND China - The Two Are Allied   3/27/2006 1:04:12 PM
Although I'm not sure about it, there is a school of thought that the Cuban Missile Crisis was a gambit on Russia's part; they got what they wanted and planned for: US nuclear missiles out of Turkey. As far as strategic thinking goes, we play checkers, they play chess. __ On Western naiveté: "We spit in their face and they call it 'dew.'" - Khrushchev
 
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mustavaris    RE:Russia AND China - The Two Are Allied   3/28/2006 12:20:53 AM
The situation couldnt be solved other way: US wouldnt make a deal unless missiles were removed and Soviets didnt want to back before getting promise from US [to not invade Cuba]. I don´t believe that it was gambling, but I think that Soviets miscalculated: they thought that they could field missiles in Cuba [US had their own in Turkey] and that would be just a balancing act without serious crisis. US took this new threat quite seriously and responded, thus starting the crisis and forcing Soviets to rethink their goals and as the both sides were rather rational, they made a compromise even though in the public opinion Soviets lost, and betrayed Cuba.
 
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Nanheyangrouchuan    RE:Russia AND China - The Two Are Allied   3/30/2006 12:41:54 AM
Supposedly kennedy and the airforce wanted to get rid of the Jupiter missiles due to their expense, high maintance and tendency to explode during launch. But Turkey demanded they stay for protection against the USSR. So the russians handed us a favor.
 
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HiloBill    RE:Russia AND China - The Two Are Allied   3/31/2006 4:42:25 PM
That's one way of looking at it, I guess. Some have also said that Russian intelligence services in Iraq actually helped the US force's deception operations implying that they were intentionally helping us. But, sorry...I don't believe either notions of Russian "help."
 
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