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Subject: Malays buy Scorpene but are to get US training
gf0012-aust    9/15/2007 9:48:16 AM
this one got my attention as normally new subs into greenfield or less experienced operators are sold with a training package. In this case I would have expected French training (after all, they did it for the Pakistanis). Considering the amount of effort that was made to get French gear into the Malaysian military, I would have thought that training would have been numero uno as its a huge revenue component that can be factored in at build. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Submarine crew to get US training PORT KLANG: The Royal Malaysian Navy (RMN) is negotiating with its US counterparts to have its submarine crew undergo training onboard American submarines. Assistant Chief of Staff Planning And Operations Laksamana Pertama Datuk Jamil Osman said the two parties were working out details on the types of training. “Our submarines will be ready in 2009 and we are hoping to make use of the US Navy’s 60 years of experience in operating submarines to train our crew on operational and safety aspects,” he said during a press conference here yesterday. Also present during the press conference was Commander of Submarine Group Seven Rear Admiral Doug McAneny. Laksamana Pertama Jamil said the RMN was looking at getting formal as well as on-the-job training for its personnel who would placed onboard the two Scopene submarines being built by a joint-venture firm comprising French company DCN and Spain’s Navantia. Malaysia bought the two submarines in 2002 which will be commissioned into the navy’s fleet in 2009. Among the topics of discussion were ways to strengthen bilateral ties through discussions at the working level of both navies, learning and understanding strategies, and future directions and cooperation in operation of submarines. He said the RMN also raised issues like exchange of personnel, planning of operations and exercises aimed at increasing interaction and inter-operability between the two navies, and current issues that needed joint solutions or need help in terms of expertise, experience or information. -----------------------
 
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Francois       9/15/2007 12:29:25 PM
It is news to me also.
What I can say is that they had a tremendous level of failure in qual tests.
The company in charge of the training was asked to lower the training level in order to have a higher number of qualified.
Beside, MN refused training onboard the nukes, and that is quite understandable.
 
Anyway, I don't know the point, SSK and SSN operantis modus are quite different.
 
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gf0012-aust       9/15/2007 12:35:14 PM


Anyway, I don't know the point, SSK and SSN operantis modus are quite different.

Yes. so I find it rather "odd".  for a greenfields sub user, I don't see a lot of point.  after all, they need training in the basics before they start looking at big picture ops and tactics



What I can say is that they had a tremendous level of failure in qual tests.

The company in charge of the training was asked to lower the training level in order to have a higher number of qualified.

Beside, MN refused training onboard the nukes, and that is quite understandable.

 
I had heard that they were pretty "ordinary" - certainly not in thr same league as the Sings...
 
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RockyMTNClimber    Benefits   9/15/2007 1:34:40 PM
Could this be part of the ongoing US program to familuarize US forces in SSK operations? US personnel spending time on these new boats?
 
Benefits for both sides?
 
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bizarre       9/15/2007 4:00:50 PM
Actually the subs have been sold with a training package, but we are talking about basic training in France.
So, yes, the Malaysian crew will need combat training when back to Malaysia.

I think that this real operational training will be dealt through another contract or close contact with other navies. And I think that the Aussies could play an important role at that time (long experience of SSK use, close relationships etc.)

The story with the US is just a way to develop relationships in order to hold join exercises with new kinds of SSKs that could proliferate in Asia

 
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