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Subject: Seabed arrays in the Baltic - Thomas
TheArmchairCmd    10/4/2005 5:40:53 AM
Yesterday I read an article on the net concerning the Cold War Report from DIIS. I can't find the article right now. I'll post it when my memory stops failing me. That report at some point deals with the incursions of foreign subs in the Swedish skærgård. Somehow the danish navy top brass of the time (now retired) has taken great offense and savaged this part of the report, adamantly claiming that no foreign sub has ever passed submerged through danish waters unbeknownst to them. Point being it was only Soviet subs intruding in Swedish waters. No western. Food for thought? TAC
 
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TheArmchairCmd    RE:Seabed arrays in the Baltic - Thomas   10/4/2005 5:48:28 AM
This is not the one, but it quite similar. (in danish) http://politiken.dk/VisArtikel.sasp?PageID=386924
 
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Thomas    RE:Seabed arrays in the Baltic - Thomas   10/4/2005 5:54:00 AM
1. I don't believe any sub has passed Danish waters (they are simply to easy to survey) without us knowing it. There has for long been hydrophones at the entrance to the Great Belt - that won't need need an array. 2. Sweden must have figured in the Soviet plans as a possible object for invasion: The main issue being knocking out the Swedish air-defence - that would have created a periously thin warning over Jutland. 3. I think the Soviets considered the idea of invading Sweden costly and impractical, so they used political means. It has long been my conviction that Oluf Palme was arranging himself with the Soviets: If Soviet planes in wartime did not have targets in Sweden, Sweden would just report them as infringements. Palme was due in Moscow a week or two after he was assasinated.
 
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TheArmchairCmd    RE:Seabed arrays in the Baltic - Thomas   10/4/2005 6:04:17 AM
Sounds true to me. I posted as this as I have seen you allude to 'arrays' on other boards. The same report also says that in the later years of the Cold War the Soviets discounted the swedish navy since it was too weak. So eliminating the swedish air force would be the most lucrative benfit to the Soviets of attacking Sweden. TAC
 
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Thomas    RE:Seabed arrays in the Baltic - Thomas   10/4/2005 6:18:41 AM
About present day arrays: I note that our navy has been very helpfull to the Baltic countries clearing old minefields. I would really like that link.
 
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TheArmchairCmd    RE:Seabed arrays in the Baltic - Thomas   10/4/2005 6:28:27 AM
Link: I'd like to, but I stumbled across it looking for something else and read it in the passing. Now I can't remember the context. I have been searching for it but can't find it. I will make sure to post it if it pops up. The only thing I found was the already mentioned one, and the content is not the same but similar. (in danish) http://politiken.dk/VisArtikel.sasp?PageID=386924
 
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TheArmchairCmd    RE:Seabed arrays in the Baltic - Thomas   10/4/2005 7:30:28 AM
Here's the link I as originally referring to. (danish) http://www.jp.dk/indland/artikel:aid=3298188/ Quotes: 'We knew everything that was going on in danish waters', 'No Western sub has ever passed submerged through danish waters', 'We have the means to ensure that it is so.' Re: Strength of swedish navy during Cold War. This one is even more diffucult for me to find, but it's somewhere in the report which can be found here (danish) http://www.diis.dk/sw13004.asp It's only 2500 pages ;) TAC
 
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Thomas    RE:Seabed arrays in the Baltic - Thomas   10/4/2005 9:45:56 AM
Thanks for the link: The DIIS are experts in writing nonsense, but occationally there are drops of information that are worth noting; but their evaluation is skewed, biased and twisted.
 
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Thomas    Why we scrapped our submarines   10/1/2006 10:39:19 PM
Interestingly enough this link appears on the Danish Navy's homepage!http://www.spawar.navy.mil/sandiego/technology/mammals/deployment_map.html
 
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